Barry Goldstein on the Mother’s Movement & Abusers

ATW has recently been in contact with Barry Goldstein, when we sent him and other professionals, a link introducing the blog, and inviting comments.

Barry has been very candid in sharing his thoughts about the Mother’s Movement and how it should proceed. One of the things Barry mentioned was creating a Protective Mothers Manifesto, to offer guidelines on ethical behavior for those within the Mother’s Movement.

ATW has received Barry’s permission to post his e-mail in full, as long as we agree not to edit, take out of context, or change the content in any way. In the interest of truth and accuracy, we also ask our readers to respect Barry’s wishes. We welcome reader’s comments please keep in mind ATW’s policy keeping all comments respectful.

Thank-you for Barry for your valuable feedback, and contributions.

— Among the Wolves

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Barry Goldstein:

My interest in creating a protective mother manifesto is to express our beliefs, help to unite those working to reform the broken custody court system and to avoid the kind of personal attacks you reference. I certainly agree that some of my friends who are protective mothers have acted improperly. I hope that we can stop this so that it will be safer for all protective mothers as they already face too many dangers and obstacles.

From my perspective context is extremely important in understanding these issues. Too often we create a false equivalency between people and groups that do not have equal privileges and opportunities. We live in a sexist society in which men receive substantial unearned privileges even if we are not always aware of this. There is a lot of bad research that suggests women abuse men about as often as men abuse women. This is based on deeply flawed practices and one of the things they miss is that women are often so afraid of their partners, afraid they will kill or seriously harm them that they will do whatever they think he wants and let him make the decisions just so he will not hurt them. The reverse is rarely true. This means that many actions that seem the same on the surface are really very different because of the inherent power that men have. This is one of the reasons I believe the behavior and threats by Bill Windsor are so much worse and of more concern.

There is a fundamental difference when something is done by someone in a position of privilege and power in our society then when it is done by someone who lacks these privileges. In this context, I believe women can be assaultive, disrespectful and totally inappropriate but I would not use a term like abuser or domestic violence for what they do because they do not have the same power that men have. I believe we need to keep the context in mind.

I am particularly concerned that protective mothers who are on both sides of this present dispute have gone through horrific experiences and this continues to impact them. This is an important reason why they should be treated with the utmost respect and we must avoid acting in ways that could be frightening. To the extent that the improper behavior was directed at protective mothers it makes it all the more unacceptable. At the same time it is common that victims of domestic violence often act out in inappropriate ways as a result of his abuse. One of the big problems is that court professionals often fail to understand this and severely punish mothers for actions that are normal under the circumstances.

I know enough about some of the cases of the protective mothers who I agree acted improperly to know they are genuine victims of the broken court system and sincerely want to create the reforms we all favor. That is why my goal is to modify the unacceptable behavior and keep them as part of our movement. They have also made many valuable contributions to our work. I still believe we can respond in a way that their involvement can be salvaged in a way that is win-win for our movement.

I am far more concerned about the actions of Bill Windsor. He never seemed to have understood the gendered nature of the problems we are dealing with. When I became a part of this movement and before that the battered women’s movement, I spent a lot of time learning from the women who are the leaders and confronting my unearned privileges and sexist beliefs. I learned the importance of taking leadership from women. Bill Windsor does not seem to have ever gone through this process and instead used his male privilege to engage in completely inappropriate attacks on genuine protective mothers. He raised tremendous hopes in many protective mothers but it appears he does not get it and his reaction to criticism is beyond inappropriate.

I think it is important that we keep our eyes on the ball. Unfortunately this dispute has been a distraction. The important thing is to reform the broken system that hurts so many children. I believe the women who made inappropriate personal attacks can contribute to the goal, but need to stop the attacks. Obviously this is a difficult issue and like most issues involved with domestic violence we are confronted with what is the least harmful response.

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67 thoughts on “Barry Goldstein on the Mother’s Movement & Abusers

  1. Barry –

    Your intent with this movement is not only much needed but also admirable.

    However, I for one, have my doubts on how the movement can succeed when the vast majority of “protective mother” groups accept the stories they are told and share them, without verifying that the bill of goods the alleged victim is selling is, in fact, truthful. While certainly inappropriate behavior of members affects the movement, so too does the false accuser which continues to provides to some presiding judges validity that PAS exists. Your movement’s refusal to acknowledge that men are often the victims of DV, most notably coercive-controlling DV which then manifests itself in abuse-by-proxy when the relationship ends, continues to undermine your movement. Your movement’s absolute refusal to denounce the false accuser undermine it even further. By allowing the false accuser to speak out, to shout, to represent, you are smothering the voices that need to be heard. The vast majority of DV victims battling for custody in the courtroom do not take their battles public, because they are concentrating on doing whatever they can to save their children from their abusers whereas the vast majority of false accusers take to the internet screaming their falsehoods.

    Can you hear the voice of Jennifer Brown screaming out for help for her girls? No, you cannot. Because groups like mine who are trying to get her voice heard, are constantly having to denounce the lies of false accusers such as Maria Melinn and Lori Handrahan women that groups who claim to be part of “the movement” support despite concrete and indisputable proof that they are, in fact, liars and not victims at all.

    Furthermore, it should be noted, that as long as the movement employs guest speakers such as Jay Sutter at the BMCC the cause is further undermined. Many men and women have faced Jay own brand of violence, yet groups persist in using him as an example of men that support the cause, and in essence are holding him up as the epitome of a man who supports women. Jay Sutter is the epitome of DV, subjecting women to his constant, derogatory sexual innuendos and veiled threats. Yet, you hold him in esteem.

    The only way this movement can move forward is by 1) recognizing the majority of DV victims are women, but acknowledging that some, in fact, ARE MEN; 2) denouncing the false accuser for what they are; and 3) removing any association to men like Jay Sutter or even women like Jane Smithers, the epitome of unbalanced, and Deanna Kloostra who takes pride in gleefully reporting on the woman that she stalks and emotionally abuses, while simultaneously false accusing another woman of having killed her child who died from SIDS.

    Because otherwise, your movement will continue to battle the even larger movement: The child’s right to be free of their abuser parent, no matter what gender that parent is. Groups like mine do not see in terms of man or woman, but only in terms of the child. We will not stand by and watch another child feel the only way to end his tormentor’s abuse is through suicide – like Michael Melinn felt was his only way to escape his abuser, Maria Melinn. We will not stand by and watch another preschooler be terrified of returning to school because her mother might come and hurt her again, as is the case of little Mila and her abuser, Lori Handrahan. By the same token, we will not stand idly by and watch silently as Donnie Crockett sexually and emotionally abuses his twin girls, because Jennifer Brown has been dubbed a “false accuser” because of the very public antics of people like Melinn and Handrahan.

    Clearly, I am a woman. I have volunteered at DV shelters and rape crisis centers since my college years. I am a childhood survivor of physical, sexual and emotional abuse and I have advocated for the right of children to be free from abuse for more than 2 1/2 decades. I am against any form of abuse, whatsoever – be it against woman, child OR man… and I will stand for the victim, no matter their gender or age, each and every time.

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    • StopAbuse: You put up such a large emotional wall around yourself that people mistaken it for brashness. (ATW: Removed- Unsubstantiated allegation) and I hope you can work through the pain. I can take your stabs at me, I’ll try not to retaliate… May you find the best way to deal with things. I don’t tout myself as a perfect DV “advocate”, but I do care about people, and there has never been a child that has not gravitated to me- I do have experience working in a DV shelter with abused children and Moms. I also was an intelligence reporter in the Air Force for 10 years. I was a friendly letter carrier for 11 years. Yes, I like to joke, using plays on words, and yes I sometimes lack tact, but you and I would get along fine with each other in person I imagine. I can quickly forgive and forget, because this life is so precious. Hope you can do the same.

      (ATW Note: Pap’s last comment was removed for violating our no abuse, stay respectful policy. Interesting note, Pap did say in that last comment, “At no time has Watchman, StopAbuse, or Sarah Tyrrell proven their credentials yet I am asked to show mine.” Pap refused to share any information about himself in that comment but since followed up with this comment, and is now providing his credentials.
      Pap plz see our ATW FAQ, where we clearly state that we are not advocates, ATW is made up of a group of concerned citizens. The reason your credentials are being questioned is because you publicly state you are an advocate, you spoke at the BMCC as one and the information you have provided about your organization has proven to be bogus. It is only fair to clarify this information. Thanks)

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      • Since Stop Abuse gave her “credentials” and showed her humanity, I thought it a good and fair gesture to her alone, to do the same (not for you Mr. Watchman). I am generally reasonable and recognize truthful and raw emotion displayed, even in print. This is what binds us as humans, even if we disagree with one another, we place ourselves in the other’s shoes. I challenge the Cats of the Dog Blog to place themselves in the shoes of Lori Handrahan who has lost her child, her job, and her livelihood. Either she is totally crazy or, maybe just maybe, she knows that her child was abused severely. She is a real Mom with a heart. Do not be jealous of her PHD or success in this life.

        Consider Maria Melinn, who had her back broken, lost a boy to suicide, and has had friends ostracize her. Yet, she maintains her composure, visiting Washington D.C. in a wheelchair to talk to the politicians. Maybe you don’t know Blake “Bucky” Melinn like she does- the dark side. Sometimes in this life you find that it’s “UpsideDown World”. Things may be the opposite of what you really think or what you think you know. (REMINDER to Mr. Watchman: You are to publish this entire comment without adding or deleting any information/screenshots will be deployed)

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      • Jay (aka Pap) –

        And once more, you show why this movement will not succeed. Lori a good mother? A protective mother? A LOVING mother? Lori is a substantiated abuser. Lori terrorized her 5 year old child at her daycare, and held that little girl pinned to a car, in well below freezing temps, in the down pouring sleet, after hitting her pregnant stepmother, screaming in her face. Do you remember that Jay? Lori lies that her husband drugs her child, despite TWENTY THREE chain-of-custody drug tests, in facilities of Lori’s choice. Exam after exam after exam, at hospitals and doctors offices throughout Maine, showed Mila had never been abused, let alone been “violently raped” leaving her vagina “shredded.” Mila herself has said, over and over and over – even while Lori still held primary custody – that her Papa doesn’t do these things her mom only tells her to say he did but he really doesn’t. Lori also claimed that Mila received a “sex injury” from Igor – yet that injury appeared when Mila was ONLY in Lori’s care, was not present at the doctor’s office 2 days prior, but suddenly appeared – fresh – 2 days later. Mila received this injury while SOLELY in LORI’S CARE — her father more than 4 hours from her. Lori has been diagnosed as NPD, although we believe NPD and APD is more accurate. Lori has had 15 attorneys in the last 5 years. Tell me again, how many times she attended court hearings pertaining to her child’s welfare and custody in the last three years? Oh, that is right. NONE. Yet, you betcha, she shows up in court to defend her website on which she published pictures of her daughter nude, camera focused on her private parts? So she can’t attend court for a child she claims is horribly abused, but can for a website on which she endangers her child? After losing her parental rights all together, does she hire an attorney to “Save Mila”? No. But she sure hires one to defend her in the lawsuit for libel and defamation. She sure hires one to reduce her child support. You question if she is sane? Keep in mind this is the woman that claimed the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children is a front for pedophiles!

        For Watchman’s sake – here are the links to the documentation of what I mention above:

        http://www.slideshare.net/ForTheLoveOfMila/cape-elizabeth-police-report-part-2
        http://www.slideshare.net/ForTheLoveOfMila/cape-elizabeth-police-report-part-1
        http://www.slideshare.net/ForTheLoveOfMila/dhhs-substantiation-email
        http://www.slideshare.net/ForTheLoveOfMila/kabacoff-testimony-part-i
        http://www.slideshare.net/ForTheLoveOfMila/kabacoff-testimony
        http://www.slideshare.net/ForTheLoveOfMila/ombudsman-review-and-findings-sept-2011
        http://savingmila.com/national-center-for-missing-and-exploited-children
        http://savingmila.com/i-have-never-published-nude-photos
        http://savingmila.com/milas-story-29

        Now, please, let’s discuss Maria Melinn, the woman who so mentally abused HER son that he felt he had no way to end it but suicide. A good mother calls the police on her 10 year old for talking back, for arguing with a sibling, right? Well Maria did, nearly a dozen times (http://www.slideshare.net/ForTheLoveOfMila/101803-police-called-after-michael-runs-away, here http://www.slideshare.net/ForTheLoveOfMila/111903-maria-reports-michael-for-assault-the-day-after-it-happens, here http://www.slideshare.net/ForTheLoveOfMila/031204-destroying-bedroom-18184812, here http://www.slideshare.net/ForTheLoveOfMila/050204-not-listening, here http://www.slideshare.net/ForTheLoveOfMila/031204-destroying-bedroom, here http://www.slideshare.net/ForTheLoveOfMila/071503-michael-charged-as-incorrigible, here http://www.slideshare.net/ForTheLoveOfMila/maria-calls-police-on-michael-for-arguing-only-weeks-after-11th-bday and here http://www.slideshare.net/ForTheLoveOfMila/maria-calls-police-on-michael-for-arguing-only-weeks-after-11th-bday).

        A good mother plans to dispose of her 11 year old child for the sin of wanting to see the man he was raised being told was his father, right? How about forgets a letter from a child asking his father for money to get him out of juvenile detention (Where SHE put him!!!!) Well, Maria did. Read the comments found in some of the police reports noted above and then this http://www.michaelswish.com/maria-forges-letters-from-michael-asking-for-

        Disabled? HAH! Isn’t that a bed of lies. First off, the police report AND hospital records the day after Blake shoved that door open in 1998 and both tumbled to the ground showed ONLY carpet abrasions were sustained by BOTH parties. And hell, Maria was out dancing that same night – which we have pictures of. Secondly, the surgery didn’t occur until a DECADE later, after the car accident which notes “neck injury” – and is also the time when the flurry of medical records start. Disabled? Let me say it again. HAH! Thirdly, that wheelchair ONLY comes out for photo ops. Fourthly, on the dating sites she advertises on she describes herself as “athletic”. Fifthly, we have slews of pictures from HER SITE, showing her up running around all over the place. And finally, let me note on that little morsel about DC: Maria tells the court that she is not physically capable of sitting or standing for more than 15 minutes at a time. So please, by all means, explain how she got to DC … or Morocco … or India … NOT sitting for more than 15 minutes at a time. (http://www.michaelswish.com/blake-melinn-broke-my-back, http://www.michaelswish.com/maria-claims-she-cannot-work-a-job, http://www.michaelswish.com/marias-medical-records-dont-support-back-injury).

        A good mother dresses their 11 year old daughter up in full makeup and has her pose suggestively with her mother for a dating site, right? Or how about dresses that same daughter up in a burka, during Maria’s I am pretending to be Muslim and am picking up Muslim men on MySpace period, and have that child pose for pictures with come hither looks right? (http://www.michaelswish.com/using-a-child-as-a-lure and http://www.michaelswish.com/maria-dressing-children-inappropriately).

        A good mother has their children living in a home without electricity and running water, toilets overflowing with feces for more than a month, right? Or when they know someone is coming by to assess the condition of her home for custody purposes, doesn’t clean, right? Or how about has the only child that will still stalk to her come over and stay in a house reeking of cat piss? (http://www.michaelswish.com/michaels-story-page-11, http://www.michaelswish.com/michaels-story-page-22, and http://www.michaelswish.com/marias-house-in-december-2011).

        Maria also claims she has never committed a crime. How does she explain her arrest and conviction for trying to run her soon-to-be ex-husband with her car in full view of 3 of their children? Or how about the arrest for committing $19K in larceny, for which there is still a Order to Seize property? Or how about fraudulently collecting child support from 2 different men, despite the fact that a paternity test had been conducted months earlier showing who the father was? (http://www.michaelswish.com/marias-felonious-dv-assault and http://www.michaelswish.com/maria-claims-she-has-never-committed-a-crime—what-about-larceny and http://www.michaelswish.com/maria-claims-she-would-never-commit-adultery).

        She claims she has never been investigated for neglect. Really? What about the morning that social services was at her apartment complex to investigate a DIFFERENT family and found HER 2 year old child wandering the parking lot alone, scared, dressed only in a dirty diaper? (http://www.michaelswish.com/i-have-never-been-investigated-for-neglect).

        She claims she never abused her children. Then what are her children talking about here? http://www.michaelswish.com/michaels-story-page-21

        So, Mr. Sutter, in reply to your obscenely distorted post: Lori Handrahan is not a “good mother” trying to protect her child. She is, as the evidence shows, an unbalanced, diagnosed with NPD, child abuser that only cares about how much attention her claims of her child being abused can bring her. Maria Melinn is “not a good mother that lost her son to suicide.” Maria Melinn is an abusive, neglectful mother that emotionally abused her son for year and drove him to the only choice he thought he had left. She is not disabled – she is up walking, chasing down news trucks, going out dancing, taking trips to Morocco and India without that wheelchair, but arriving in DC with it for photo ops. Both of these women are without a moral compass, and will abused anyone they can – including their own children to get what they want – ATTENTION.

        Which brings us full circle to the crux of the problem with this movement. As long as Barry and the BMCC have you, Mr. Sutter, associated with the movement in ANY capacity, it will continue to flounder while thousands of women in desperate need of assistance have no where to go where they can assure they will not be re-abused by the people who claim to want to help them. PMA, as of right now, seems the ONLY safe place, and yet women will continue to struggle alone because they do not want to face and onslaught of abuse from AMPP and people like YOURSELF because they associate with PMA.

        In order for the movement to free women of abuse – in and out of court – to succeed, the movement needs to rid itself of the false accusers, the abusers hiding in sheep’s clothing as the abused, and of people, like YOU who justify the unjustifiable and turn a blind eye to the truth that sometimes, just sometimes, the woman is the real abuser while claiming otherwise.

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      • MR. WATCHMAN: I did not provide you with information about my organization. If you knew the two simple mission statements of Heroes On-Line DEfense Network Inc. then you would know that they have been fulfilled overwhelmingly with great success. It’s purpose and nature is protected under the bylaws of our charter and revealing such would void the organization in full. Is it a secret or clandestine operation? I am not at liberty to discuss that answer. Just because you are confounded does not mean something is bogus. Just because you don’t see the wind does not mean it does not accomplish something. You are breaking your own rules of just being a reporter of facts when you say, “your organization has PROVEN to be BOGUS.” (emphasis for emphasis). Mr. Watchman: I urge you strongly to REMOVE YOUR ABOVE BOLD-FACED ADD-ON COMMENT YOU MADE IN IT’S ENTIRETY. YOU ASSUMED SOMETHING THAT YOU HAD NO PROOF OF…. HAVE YOU BEEN BY MY SIDE WHEN I GAVE THAT HOMELESS ABUSED MOM HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS OF MY OWN MONEY SO SHE COULD FEED HER CHILDREN? WERE YOU THERE WHEN I COMFORTED THE 3 YEAR OLD GIRL WHO SAID, “MY DADDY HIT MY MOMMY AND POINTED A GUN AT HER AND THE POLICE TOOK MY DADDY AWAY? WERE YOU WITH ME WHEN I DROVE AN RV TO WASHINGTON D.C. AND LET A MOMS STAY WITH US FOR A WEEK FOR THE MOTHER’S DAY PROTEST? WHERE WERE YOU? WERE YOU SITTING IN YOUR CHAIR, AS YOU ARE NOW, JUDGING OTHERS, PASSING IT OFF AS TRUTH? I DECLARE THAT YOU ARE BOGUS, AS YOU ARE WRONG ABOUT SO MUCH. I DON’T NEED YOUR CAT BLOG, I DON’T NEED YOUR APPROVAL, I DON’T NEED YOUR VERIFICATION OF ANYTHING I DID OR DID NOT DO. I WOULD NOT WANT YOU ON THE FRONT LINES WITH ME IN IRAQ, THAT IS ONE THING I DO KNOW. YOU REMIND ME OF THE WESTBORO BAPTIST CHURCH WHO PROTEST KILLED VETERANS’ FUNERALS, WHO PROTESTED THAT TORNADO CHILD VICTIM’S FUNERAL, SAYING IT WAS GOD’S WILL. DOES MY UPPERCASE LETTERS SEEM LIKE I AM YELLING? If you thought yes, then you are wrong again. I prove my point, again. And again. REMOVE your libelous, slanderous, and inaccurate comments of my comments: Reminds me of a couple of ticks I had on my arm.

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      • Jay “Pap” Sutter-

        ATW research of public records has revealed the following:

        1) Jay left this comment on Barry Goldstein’s wall in response to an article titled “Protective Mothers Movement Needs Unity”. http://timesupblog.blogspot.ca/2010/10/protective-mothers-movement-needs-unity.html

        In this article, Barry advises: “Again some people may not be able to work with other people. When someone is making sacrifices for the cause, we must make sure they are not unfairly attacked. We get enough of that from the male supremacists and the courts. And so my plea is for everyone in the protective mothers movement to avoid attacks on our allies and help create an atmosphere in which the maximum amount of cooperation is possible.”

        Reply: Jay Sutter October 18, 2010 at 9:40 PM
        Not to put a sour taste in anyone’s direction, I want to lift up those that I know have been unified in this movement: Barr Goldstein, Mo Hannah, Connie Valentine, Karen Anderson, Eileen King to name a few...Martin Luther King Jr. marched WITH his fellow peaceful protesters. There are also many women directly praying for our cause on a daily basis, and up to 30,000 indirectly praying. We have unity and it is growing. Thanks Nancy Carroll for your continued dedication and loyalty to the cause.

        Jay, you mention the need for unity, peace and prayer on Barry’s blog. You claim “we have unity and it is growing”. At the same time, Jay, you align yourself with American Mothers Political Party (AMPP) who is behind some of the most abusive, hateful attacks against fellow advocates and protective mothers. While you call for peace and unity, Jay, Lorraine Tipton is declaring war and naming enemies. While you call for prayer, Jay, another AMPP member states she believes prayer does not work and AMPP has a better way of solving things. This individual is also spreading intentional misinformation about Protective Mothers Alliance (PMA) that “prayer is all they do”–which is discouraging moms from seeking help from an organization AMPP has declared is an “enemy”.A ll these contradictions, in our opinion, seriously undermine your credibility which is why we are of the opinion that you are “bogus”.

        2) Jay your request “REMOVE your libelous, slanderous, and inaccurate comments of my comments..”

        Jay, are you going to ask the same of Lorraine Tipton to remove her “libelous, slanderous, and inaccurate comments”? If not, are we to believe what happened at the BMCC is correct? https://abusiveadvocates.wordpress.com/2013/05/02/lorraine-tipton-bmcc/

        Lorraine Tipton says: “Jay Sutter (Kathy Lee Schlopp’s boy toy)”
        We questioned Jay’s relationship w/Killa Lee and he told us she was batshit crazy and had served him in Nov. with her own “handmade” restraining order (I’d say that is batshit crazy). So the show went on and it was actually JAY pushing Shannon’s ass all around up and down to eat or to see one of her “idols” speak at certain BMCC events.”

        Jay let the Aussie drive his truck. I recommend that NO ONE ever get into a vehicle with a person from a country that drives on the opposite side of the road, ever! Had dinner and drinks at the restaurant and met some nice Albany folks who loved our Aussie lassie’s “accent”. WE all did, she is a beautiful woman inside and out.

        We got back to hotel and decided to go to the pool and hot tub and have a few drinks. By this time boy toy was gaga over Aussie. So of course she asks him what his relationship status really is with Killa, since all we could see that he was her errand boy. I mean the woman WAS in the same hotel but in a different room…whY???

        Boy toy finally reveals that there wasn’t much to their relationship,etc. etc. Later that evening as we all had to get much needed sleep to get the hell up for our flights, lust was in the air. Whoever was left over we all slept in one room and left the Aussie and Boy Toy to themselves. Now, I wasn’t listening at the door to two CONSENTING adults but I guess we can presume what happened and I really could give two shits about it.

        The following day we all left, boy toy gave aussie ride to New York City and we all headed home. Sigh of relief. You would think, right?

        NOPE. Shannon goes and tattle tales on the sleeping arrangements to Killa and all hell breaks loose. Calls, emails from Killa threatening if I or others didn’t TELL her what happened. How would I know?? How would anyone?? Not like we were all sitting around watching the alleged “action”!!

        Come to find out months afterwards that Killa and Jay were secretly married, go figure a guy lies to get laid! So then we are hated, all the AMPP’s EXCEPT one, the tattler. She stood by her “sister” Killa like any good tattler would.

        3) Jay, ATW did a public search on Heroes Online Defense Network and it appears that it is not a registered business in Massachusetts.

        The Commonwealth of Massachusetts
        William Francis Galvin
        Secretary of the Commonwealth, Corporations Division
        One Ashburton Place, 17th floor
        Boston, MA 02108-1512
        Telephone: (617) 727-9640
        Public Browse and Search – Entity Results
        No Records Matched Your Begins With Search for Entity Name: Heroes Online Defense Network

        © 2001 – 2013 Commonwealth of Massachusetts
        All Rights Reserved

        http://corp.sec.state.ma.us/corp/corpsearch/CorpSearchEntityList.asp?ReadFromDB=True&UpdateAllowed=

        3) Yet public records indicate Heroes On Line Defense Network is operating as a business in the state of Massachusetts: http://www.manta.com/c/mtqfwmz/heroes-on-line-defense-network
        11 Old Main Road
        Montgomery, MA 01085
        Phone: (413) 231-7299 (Verizon wireless mobile)
        Other Social Advocacy Organizations
        2 employees
        Earnings $55,000 per year

        4) Public records indicate, Jay, that you have resided with family members (will not publish the address and names for privacy reasons).

        5) Public records also show “11 Old Main Road Montgomery, MA 01085” is an incomplete address. 11 Old Main Road is a stretch of woods, that is divided into lots. Based on this information, you cannot identify an actual location. Public records do not show that you own any land on Old Main Road, Jay.

        6) Jay states about Heroes Online: “It’s purpose and nature is protected under the bylaws of our charter and revealing such would void the organization in full. Is it a secret or clandestine operation? I am not at liberty to discuss that answer. “

        Based on this information, Jay, it is “confounding” to us how you earned $55,000 a year in income, and that you allegedly operated your business in the middle of the woods with no electricity, no shelter and continue to hide where you get your income from. Do you, Jay, even file taxes?

        Heroes On Line Defense Network does not have a webpage, does not have a Facebook page, is not connected to Linked In, has no advertising, does not have any professional referrals attached to it…and yet claims to be a “Social Service Organization” operating with only 2 employees and according to Jay has “had great success”. How is this possible when no one can find Heroes Onlines, no one can contact them or visit an actual business location?

        If one of those employees is Kathy Lee Schlop, according to Lorraine Tipton is she “batshit crazy” and “and had served him in Nov. with her own “handmade” restraining order”.

        There is a serious lack of information, and credible proof, that establishes Heroes Online as a legitimate business.

        7) Jay, you were invited to the BMCC as a speaker and according to Lorraine Tipton, you engaged in inappropriate behavior that is a clear violation of normal professional boundaries. That the BMCC would allow a secretive organization, with serious issues of credibility, to present at its conference—and interact with vulnerable protective moms—is appalling. One has to question how Jay, Kathy Lee Schlop and Heroes Online even got into the BMCC—evidence strongly suggests this was done through their connection to AMPP. Which creates even more questions about the BMCC itself.

        8) ATW will not respond to your attempts to discredit our blog, other than to say your actions speak for themselves.

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  2. Barry, what you don’t seem to get is the people you are protecting are abusers themselves. It doesn’t matter if they might have been abused in their past or that they want change in family court too. Now they are ruthlessly abusing others unprovoked. Most protective moms are afraid of their abuse and afraid to speak out and join the movement with them being involved. We clearly see what they have done to other protective mothers and organizations. Mothers are afraid . These abuser mothers lie and cannot be trusted to change. Just like my abuser ex. Insisting on protecting them and including them, along with including and protecting the few abuser moms claiming to be victims will be our downfall. Why can’t you see this? Why do you keep protecting abusers and liars Barry?Why?

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    • Good point anon. I am a protective mother. I refuse to go to Battered Mothers Conference or join the movement in any way. Who needs Claudine turning on them? I see how vicious AMPP attacks PMA, Lawless and Lundy Bancroft( of all people) and Janice Levinson. It is all over the internet!! Can’t miss it!! I have had enough abusers in my life, thank you very much . Don’t need anymore. Not worth it.

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  3. Barry , you call this a ” dispute!?” If so it is a dispute initiated by AMPP and it’s one-sided. . Claudine calls is a war. If it’s a war it is one initiated by AMPP, Claudine and Lorraine and completely one- sided. I see nothing pubically posted by PMA, Janice and Lundy trashing Claudine and AMPP. Nothing about AMPP’s four year onslaught on Janice, PMA and Lundy was a dispute or war as it was completely one-sided. and un- provoked. This is what ABUSERS do. UNPROVOKED,ONE-SIDED attacks on a TARGET. Bill Windsor had his family destroyed by AMPP and Claudine. His wife is so afraid , she divorced him. He cannot see his grandchildren due to his daughter’s fear of AMPP’s threats.He has decided to legally DEFEND himself after enduring several months of threats and abuse. Janice has yet to defend herself, but mentioned the thought of legal action and was promptly pressured out of it by other leaders at the BMCC saying it will hurt the mothers’ movement……What!????? I should know as I am a PMA leader. I was there. Claudine has outrageous lies all over the internet about Janice. She calls her and Bill “Hitler” . Claudine Dombrowski is NO advocate. She is an abuser. I do not care about her DV past. She has clearly taken the wrong path and turned into an abuser herself. She as all adults need to be held accountable for her actions and not given free reign and excuses by you and others to continue the cycle of abuse and hurting innocent victims. Covering up abusers’ actions is hypocritical since the movement is supposed to be revealing abusers and seeking justice for their actions. We get many emails from moms too afraid to join any organization in the movement due to AMPP’s behavior. AMPP is creating oppression and fear within the mothers movement. AMPP , Claudine Dombrowski is destroying the mothers’ movement.

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    • I agree with you S.C these attacks by AMPP should never be tolerated. We have enough abuse to deal with! Scary and crazy.

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  4. Something really odd is going on in the “mothers movement”. I have personally seen the bashing of PMA ,Janice, and Lundy ( my hero) all over the place online. This is really nasty stuff! Name calling, crazy allegations, very over the top stuff. ( no proof attached). Any intelligent person can see it is all lies. I mean really! comparing Janice to Hitler!? come on now. Ridiculous! Why would an educated man like Barry cling so tight to Claudine and her pack of lies and abuse? Something is just not right here. Risk his reputation and credibility for Claudine? I just dont get it makes no sense. Something we cant see is going on behind all this. it is just too odd.

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  5. Barry is a strong leader against abuse, a positive example for other men like me to follow. I read all his books. And seen him talk a few times. . You probably rewrotte something innocent Barry said and exagerate it to try to make him look bad. I know Barry wouldn’t say all this stuff you are saying he did. Barry is a fighter against abuse, a lone voice in the legal community. I can’t believe he cares all that much about Bill Windsor, an admitted nobody! I think you just twisted everything Barry said

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  6. I agree with Sally something weird is going on. How can a professional DV expert support abusers and want to work with them, but preach to moms not to tolerate abusers. I don’t get it. Maybe Barry didn’t write this.

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  7. I think a manifesto is a great idea. i think Barry should help us mothers create a manifesto for our abuser exs. if I have a manifesto for my abuser I am sure it would help him behave and not abuse me and my daughter anymore.I might not even have to go through family court we could just use Barry’s manifesto.

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  8. Claudine is plain nuts! So obvious. You can’t fix nuts with a piece of paper. Just like I could not keep my ex away with a restraining order. Come on now get real!

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    • Amy –

      You are correct. A piece of paper cannot fix anything. Someone that is determined to abuse you, to get the upper hand, to control you, has no more respect for that piece of paper than he does the law itself. Does a custody order stop an abusive ex? No, if anything it spurs them on. Does a restraining order stop and abusive ex? No, if anything it just fuels their anger. And the is the problem with the manifesto. Paige, above, seems to truly believe that this proposed manifesto would do the trick. It will have no more influence against the determined abuser than the restraining order, than that custody order.

      While I have never tangled with the Claudine oft mentioned here, I have tangled with a few of the nuts that run around pretending to be abused but are in fact the abusers, and literally feed their abusive egos through their own re-victimization of their family members, through the attention their claims make, and through belittling of others. How do you stop people like Lori Handrahan, Maria Melinn, Deanna Kloostra, Jay Sutter and Jane Smithers? You stand up to them, speak out, speak up, contradict their falsehoods with facts, don’t back down. These people feed off weakness and attach themselves to movements such as these because it provides them a sense of power that they crave.

      Until the abusive so-called advocates, such as your Claudine and Jay Sutter, are removed from the cause, it will continue to sputter and fail. No woman that has been previously abused will voluntarily subject themselves to more abuse from the very people that claim to be running a movement meant to stop their victimization.

      Your post indicates you are very strong person Amy. Stay strong, stand up to your bully ex-husband and you will win. You seem to have the moxy 🙂

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  9. I like Barry read all his books, but I am afraid of Claudine Dombrowski, and her AMPP . I see how horrible she is towards anyone who disagrees. I won’t go near her or anyone attached to her. I know most of my friends who are moms with custody problems feel the same. Sorry Barry, but she scares everyone.

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  10. ATW has received a few comments authored by Jane Does. Since these comments violated our policies and are off topic, we decide not to publish them or remove the violating parts. The Jane Does seem to have a personal vendetta about one particular respected advocate and group. It is the same advocate and group that Jen D. – another reader and AMPP member – has a personal vendetta against. ATW has addressed Jen’s complaints already in a previous post and comment (March 2013, “AMPP Takes Credit for PMA Logo” and “AMPP Members Believe Lies Over Truth”) yet Jen obsessively attempts to continue to spread baseless allegations, about the same advocate which is clearly off topic to our post. Because Jane/Jen cannot adhere to our policies of providing proof instead of libel, along with staying on topic, A.T.W is now being threatened by Jane/Jen (see previous post in March for threat made by Jen)

    Below from Jane Does:
    “She has agreed to send those records to another blogger since you have effectively blocked her and myself from posting here – and I am also sending my screenshots of where I have been blocked from posting here. This blogger plans on exposing ATW and those ATW protects by showing the true abuse”

    “So continue to not allow my comments. Continue to change the content of my comments. I have screenshots immediately after they were posted, I come here daily to get updated screenshots of every single page and I will send it to the new blogger in town. HE will be exposing it all.”

    The “records” Jane is referring to are phone records of conversations that took place between Jen and this advocate that she has a personal vendetta about.
    Jennifer D, Comment Submitted on 2013/03/02 at 8:20 am
    “I will get my phone records scanned into the computer and block out all identifying info. Thn who will be lying. Post the entire conversation with cm. What a story that will tell. Oh and so you know, bw of la has nothing on me even though he claims he does. AMPP be on the lookout for the phone records that can prove I was on with Janice for days on end.”

    The Jane Does can only be referring to Jen, as these comments show a link, and also connect to AMPP. This is clearly an ongoing attack from AMPP.

    ATW previously explained to Jen the phone record cannot show the content of the conversation only the conversation’s length.

    ATW also told Jen (3/3/2013), “Jennifer D, you have also threatened ATW that we better “back off AMPP” and threatened that if we did not post your letter, which included slanderous comments about Janice Levinson & PMA, that you would post all over the internet. And implied your remarks would damage Janice Levinson. That is a form of extortion, which is a crime.

    Jane/Jen; A.T.W will not be bullied and threatened. We will continue to expose abusers in the victim advocacy movement by providing proof of their activities of abuse. A.T.W will not be a place for abusers to hide and promote their abusive personal vendettas against an innocent party.

    A.T.W note to readers: If you have proof to back up allegations in the form below, we will do our best to reserach and/or post. Also readers please understand our past post on responding to comments (see below). Thank you

    Among the Wolves – Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ)
    From this point forward, due to A.T.W’s sharp increase in readership and followers along with the overwhelming number of comments on our posts, A.T.W regrets to inform our readers, that we cannot always give personal replies to each comment submitted. We will do our best to respond but it is not always possible.

    We post proof in the form of official public court documents, public police records or screen shots that show a statement made in our subject’s own words.We also note sequence of events to further stay true to the truth as we do not want to take an event out of context,which might be confusing and deceiving. We present the truth with proof to back it up and let the reader decide.

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    • The Jane’s in question are not me although they (it is more than one woman) do live very close to me and do visit me often. They are aware of my story, having lived through it with me. I am personally requesting that until you have beyond a reasonable doubt proof that I am the ‘Janes’, that you remove this as you are making assumptions about facts not in evidence. I can tell you that I do know two of the ‘Janes’ and I go to there house, we meet and our children all play together, and we often spend weekends at their houses. I am highly offended that you would think that the would only be one or two people who would be upset at Janice. All I had requested was that Janice drop the vendetta she has against AMPP. AMPP has not spent four solid years as you claim engaging in cyber bully techniques against PMA or Janice. AMPP has simply done what they do which is spread articles related to DV, answer questions from women regarding their own experience with the court system, and offer opinions to those in the movement who have asked. Nothing more nothing less. If asked our opinion of Janice depending upon who is asked, we give our opinions based on our encounters with PMA.

      When someone asks my opinion I will tell the person if they think prayer will make their abuser stop abusing them, then PMA is the route to go. But if they need exposure, they want someone who will be there any time day or night (because our moms live not just in the states but all over the world and as such are up at all times night or day) then my opinion is to try AMPP. If an abused mom asks if she can seek out both groups, I tell her AMPP has no issue with any group you seek out. We do not force or demand loyalty to our group. That is the action of a cult and we are not a cult. We will not apologize for language (some of our moms are angry and rightfully so – and most true feminist websites will say someone stating that cursing is unladylike might as well be patriarchal in nature). We will not apologize for our political beliefs either. At AMPP ALL mothers are free to support whomever or whatever they choose. Again, we are not a cult. I have now posted on here at least 4 or 5 times and have not used any foul language nor have I demanded loyalty to AMPP. All I ask is that this war stop. AMPP does not attack, AMPP defends. If you do not like AMPP, you do not need to like our page or visit our website. It seems that I do need to visit this site however, because you are still allowing and keeping comments up which have no factual basis in evidence and since the ony connection I have to AMPP IS MY one time statement on here that I support them, and only online where it is seen by less than 500 people due to the settings on my fb page, and i am not a public figure, statements made on this site by you and by your readers which are published by you, myself and my ‘Jane friends and my blogger friends need to read this site in order to ensure that I am not a victim of defamation of character.

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      • Jen-

        1) For proof AMPP has been cyber bullying, just read our blog

        2) Jen said: “All I ask is that this war stop”

        See also our post that Lorraine Tipton, of AMPP, who has declared this war. So maybe you want to talk to her?

        3) ATW acknowledges you spend time with the “Janes”, and you are so like minded that it’s hard to tell you apart. Don’t you think that would be creating a toxic environment for your children to be creating this hate blog in your gatherings, rather than creating a loving environment by spending time with your children?

        It’s just a suggestion but what do we know, we are just the dog blog.

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    • Jen was never caught in a bold faced lie. ‘Jen is actually working on her own blog to highlight her story and her children’s story along with the proof in the form of school records, court records, court orders, dcf reports, police reports, witness testimony, video and picture evidence.

      Jane Does (multiple women) and the above named Jen have been in contact with me. I plan to expose ATW for their lies regarding Jen and as such their lies regarding others in the battered mother’s movement. Jennifer will be sending me an article to add to my blog, but she expects a full retraction about the spreading of blatant lies about herself on this blog. If you or anyone feels they have anything to add about Jen or any proof that you think she is anything other than what she states, I welcome that email. I also welcome all to comment on my blog. I do not censor comments over there, nor do I change the content of comments in order that it may reflect my views.

      Now I do not see anything abusive in this comment, I also posted this comment in response to a comment someone named Amy posted above. I would hope that since ATW has made it their purpose to fully investigate all claims, they will keep this comment up, in its entirety. To do so otherwise would simply prove my point (and many others), and will give me days worth of material for my blog. Thank you in advance.

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    • Amy please explain exactly what bald-faced lie I was caught in? Please supply the proof of that lie with something beyond the statement of Bill Windsor. I never lied to him or about him. Everything I have stated is 100% true. Now some of you may not like some of the AMPP moms due to the colorful language, but when I was at my lowest and being knocked down by my abuser, AMPP was there. AMPP helped to get my story out. They helped spread the word about my children. Nobody else did that, nobody else had time for me and my children. AMPP did. Lorraine sat on the phone with me day after day, night after night trying to build my spirits up. PMA did not do that, Janice did not, Barry spoke to me once when i called him (thank you Barry), Lundy did NOT. There was other who works primarily with victims of DV who spoke with me several times (thank you to him as well, I will not name him so we can keep him from being trashed too) and a few moms (again will not name them either so they can be protected) who listened to me crying the blues and helping me get back to being the strong woman I was. I do not suggest or wish to curse anyone with my life. Nobody else out there would be walking right now if they lived my life. Does that mean anything as far as my mental health goes? Absolutely not. I have heard that statement enough over the last 25 years to believe its validity. I have had professionals who I sought help from due to the abuse issues tell me I am a testament to the human strength and what one can endure. Does this make me special? Nope I am just like any other mom. I love my children and I was tired of being abused. And it most certainly does not make me a nut!

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  11. Barry I am worried about Bill Windsor too. He’s not half the man you are. Why do you think all those ladyadvocates feel comfortable around Barry? Sick people say something is going on with Claudine.. prove it Sally, I dare you. What do you have a blue dress like Bill Clinton??? TRUTH is youall are just jealous.

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  12. Barry you are a respected professional in the mothers movement. What are you thinking!? AMPP is a scary bunch of stalkers and abusers. PMA , Lundy and Janice are professional, wonderful advocates for the cause. I highly respect them both. Most protective mothers do.They treat everyone with kindness. Just look at the posts on all the PMA sites, it is quite clear. PMA always promotes peace, and kindness. I have joined several of their wonderful healing and prayer events on Face book. Janice is so loving and supportive, and the PMA prayer warriors always pray for us moms and the children. PMA has several other networks too. I feel supported in cared for by Janice and PMA. PMA deserves for all us moms to stand up for them against the vicious attacks by the AMPP abusers. they do not deserve these attacks.

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  13. In my opinion, Barry Goldstein is incompetent and should be ignored by anyone with intelligence in the world of family courts, abuse, and domestic violence.

    For starters, I have to question the intelligence, or lack thereof, of anyone who would defend or support the criminals with the so-called American Mothers Political Party.
    Goldstein has made scurrilous comments about me, but he doesn’t know me, doesn’t know a thing about me, has never spoken with me (and never will), and should have been smart enough to keep his mouth shut.

    Goldstein claims I don’t understand the gendered nature of “the problems we are dealing with.” How utterly ridiculous. I fully understand the two primary genders. I know that men lie and lie and lie and use handbooks in divorce to ensure they take advantage of the mother of their children. It makes me sick. But I also know that women lie and lie and lie, pretend to be abused when they weren’t, pretend their children were abused when they weren’t, and will say and do anything to hurt their ex. Meanwhile, in both cases, the children are terribly abused by the process, and those with true stories get obscured by all the serial liars and abusers.

    Should we consider Barry Goldstein to be similar to Richard Gardner?

    When I became a part of the Lawless America project, I spent years learning from the women and men who claim they are victims, and I am closing in on 365 days on the road, face-to-face with thousands. I believe I have interviewed far more people than Goldstein will ever hope to interview. I was devastated to hear stories from women all across America….and then to learn that a number of these women lied. If they will lie about me (as some have), then I can’t possibly believe that they are telling the truth about anything else.

    I do everything humanly possible to assist and support genuine protective mothers. But I will also do everything in my power to expose the liars and the lies.

    I am about to decide that nothing meaningful will ever be done to correct the problems with family courts, abuse, and domestic violence because virtually all of the groups are haters. There are the father haters and the mother haters. Many who pretend to be for honesty and the children are often little more than actors. People with what they claim are “non-profit associations” are often in it just for the money.

    I will not work with anyone who supports Barry Goldstein, the so-called American Mothers Political Party, Clodine Dumbrowski, Lorraine Tipton, Kimberly Wigglesworth, Kathleen Russell, the so-called Center for Judicial Excellence, Connie Valentine, the so-called California Protective Parents Association, or the so-called Battered Mothers Custody Conference. No one who has anything to do with these people or groups will be in our movies of videos because these people and groups support the twisted criminal activities of the AMPP folks. Many of these people and groups hate fathers and love liars.

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  14. These AMPP people are abusers. Their actions speak for themselves. Decent honest people don’t go around talking unsubstantiated accusations about others. Posting all over the internet these lies. A.T.W post the truth. How can we tell? Well DUH!!! they back statements up with irrefutable evidence. Any school kid can see they are legit. Abusers can’t because they don’t want the truth to come out. Why?? so they can continue their abuse and save face. Bill; he has done more for honest protective moms in months then these organizations attached to abuser moms, have done in decades. So we must ask; what IS the purpose of these mother organizations who continue to attach themselves to abusers? This is a very good question. Descent people can only be pushed so far by abusers before they decide to defend themselves and speak the truth with proof, or take legal action for libel,like Bill is doing. I encourage innocent, honest others to do the same. These abusers need to be stopped once and for all.They don’t have the common sense to keep their mouth shut as others can prove their guilt in bad situations, not made up lies like they are doing to innocent others. I applaud Bill for taking action to defend himself. Abusers continue to push, push, and push, until their target has no choice to defend themselves legally. Then abusers cry and whine about being the victim. Quite funny for the smart and insightful who can see their pattern of abuse. Shouldn’t a DV expert know and see this? You would think . Just because a person has ovaries does not make them honest. If this is someone’s mindset, this is the epitome of gender bias. To be consistent with your train of thought Barry, you should excuse and protect fathers who come from a DV background from beating their wives. We all know you do not, nor should you.

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  15. Barry, i was a fan of both you and Lundy. Y R U not supporting Lundy against this abuse? Y R U not supporting Janice and other protective mothers against this abuse? Y R U allowing this to continue by still working with these abusers? This is very discouraging 4 me and others to see u act this way. I hope Janice and Lundy finally decide to legally go after these women talking lies. They certainly have more then enough proof. They r getting no support from the so-called mothers movement who insist on supporting abusers instead .Congrats to Bill for standing up to these abuser fakes. I hope Janice and Lundy go get um next.

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  16. Leave Barry alone! He is my hero. Sally, no proof yet hmmmm? No blue dress? Still waiting. See I knew you were lying about Barry and Claudine. LIAR

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  17. I am requesting the comments above about me to be removed. Diana states that I have mental issues. I request she publish proof of that claim, or you to provide proof of that claim or remove her post and place a retraction for approving that comment. I do not suffer from any mental issues. For you to allow that comment is libel. I am not a public figure and as such people cannot state something like this that will harm my reputation. Even stating in my opinion, is not a defense against libel. Also the comment by Amy where she states I am an AMPP nut and that I was caught in a bald faced lie is slander as well. You yourself stated that you do not go after anyone unless you have proof, I am stating I want the slander regarding me removed or that you get these posters to provide proof that I am an AMPP nut, I was caught in a bald faced lie, or I have mental issues. The proof does not exist as stated to you last night through my friend who is blogging about you, blogging about us. Rather interesting isn’t it?

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  18. Bill , Keep on going and keep speaking the truth. You have far more supporters than haters. We all wonder why those who claim to support abused children are trying to stop your progress.

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  19. Diana’s comment was removed per a readers’ request. Although she did state her comment in such a way as to not create a legal issue, on behalf of good faith and in fairness to our readers’ request, we made the decision this comment was unnecessary. Please readers keep your comments respectful. Thank you.

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  20. A.T.W in your own words;
    ATW also told Jen (3/3/2013), “Jennifer D, you have also threatened ATW that we better “back off AMPP” and threatened that if we did not post your letter, which included slanderous comments about Janice Levinson & PMA, that you would post all over the internet. And implied your remarks would damage Janice Levinson. That is a form of extortion, which is a crime.
    The “records” Jane is referring to are phone records of conversations that took place between Jen and this advocate that she has a personal vendetta about.
    Jennifer D, Comment Submitted on 2013/03/02 at 8:20 am
    “I will get my phone records scanned into the computer and block out all identifying info. Thn who will be lying. Post the entire conversation with cm. What a story that will tell. Oh and so you know, bw of la has nothing on me even though he claims he does. AMPP be on the lookout for the phone records that can prove I was on with Janice for days on end.”

    This person has threatened this blog and Janice Levinson ( my personal hero). there is the PROOF right above. So plz explain to me why she gets all the rights? Why was my friend Diana’s comment taken down? If abusers can’t stand the heat they need to get out of the kitchen!

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    • I have statements and they can be notarized as well, from two witnesses to the phone calls with jnice. You see Janice was unaware of this at the time but i was a student and on some of the calls with her, she would be on speaker phone while I WA on the computer doing my online class work. Several people heard the conversations and recall vividly the one regarding the Guardians of truth. This was what Janice, myself and the other mom had decided to call the group of protestors that we would mobilize to show up at trials and hearings for mothers across the country. Janice also stated that she would have a famous woman named Myra, I believe wa her name, show up to video tape this and publicize it. The GOT as Janice called it would wear all white and those who needed to hide their identities would cover their faces with scarves, wear large sunglasses or wigs. I will not be giving this proof to ATW, since I have been attacked here, I will give it to another blogger.

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      • Jen-

        It appears you are attempting to reveal some confidential information that occurred while you were helping PMA. Most businesses or organizations have confidentiality agreements in place–or in the very least established boundaries–for their workers/volunteers. That you would disclose this information undermines your credibility, and proves you cannot be trusted.

        ATW questions the legality of any statement notarized or not based on a intercepted private business conversation by a 3rd party unbeknownst to the other caller.

        In addition, based on your comments, Jen, this phone call involved private business matters with PMA, an organization helping battered mothers and their children. That you, Jen, would put this phone call on speaker phone–and involve strangers–risks endangering the safety of the victims involved, who clearly expected their privacy to be respected. Many of these victims battle corruption against powerful court and government officials, and because of your reckless judgment, Jen, you could have potentially endangered their lives and that of their children. A notarized statement from your two witnesses will testify to that.

        In addition, ATW does not understand what was so horrific about this phone call? If you really were so bothered, why did you continue the conversation? ATW has traced Jen’s internet attacks on PMA back to 2010, we have seen no evidence that PMA or Janice Levinson has been in communication with Jen since then. It is also important to note that Jen initiated this conversation with ATW.

        Jen has already threatened us for exposing the truth, and Jen specifically threatened us to “back off” AMPP. So we can rightly assume Jen’s new blog is an attack on us, and an attempt at following through with her threats.

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    • What is the full name of “Jen.” If she is a liar, I probably have proof. I know of one Jennifer associated with AMPP who I can provide documents to prove lies. That Jennifer uses various names including Jennifer Dotson and I believe Jennifer Collins. I believe she also uses a pig alias.

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  21. How come you took down my comment? Look at these people.. It’s obvious that AMPP is —-. Isn’t this proof?

    Look at what “Queen” Maria “hours and hours” Melinn is doing..the “fine as hell” DV advocate using the purple ribbon as a sex symbol! How does Maria find all this time to chat online..isn’t she supposed to be a mom, and fighting against dv? She is a disgrace!

    Maria was PRESIDENT of AMPP, and handpicked at that!
    Do I need to go through all your posts to prove my point?!?!

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    • Diana I requested your comment be removed as you stated that I have mental issues. I do not nor have I ever been diagnosed with any mental issues. I asked that you provide proof of that claim but the dog blog removed your comment rather than travel down that slippery slope. You see I do not have any mental issues aside from the fact that I was and in some instances still am an abused woman and mother. If you have something that states I have mental issues, it is a forgery and then I would have issues with dog blog for publishing that because even if it were true, that would be protected health information, protected under HIPPA laws. Have a wonderful BLESSED day Diana.

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      • A.T.W. note; We took down Diana’s comment as requested by Jen, because we felt It violated our policies along with Jen’s privacy. Note; Jen continues to insult and attack.

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      • I do not see how this is an attack? Did I curse? No. Did I state untrue things about anyone? No. I simply stated the facts. I do not have mental issues and have never been diagnosed with mental issues. If ‘Diana’ has something which states otherwise, it is a forgery. The second point I made was that if I did indeed have mental issues, if the dog blog……. oh I see!!!! That was my attack? Because I called this the dog blog? Well, the reason for that is obvious or so I would think. Your mascot is a wolf, and the wolf and dog are related. Dog and blog rhyme. So hence dog blog. I apologize if that offends you. I TRULY did not mean any offense by that. I would think you would be proud to carry the title ‘dog blog’. Dogs are EXTREMELY loyal. I can tell that you as the collective group you are, are EXTREMELY loyal to PMA. And that is to be commended.

        And now to finish my statement. If I did have mental issues and the proof was supplied to the dog….. to ATW, then ATW and WordPress would be liable for a lawsuit brought about due to violations of my hippa rights.

        Thank you so much dog….. errr ATW and have a very BLESSED day 🙂

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  22. Pap is my hero!!! He is the only one here speaking the truth.. besides Barry & Claudine. You should call your blog Among the JEALOUS Wolves

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    • START of COMMENT Sentence 1 of 9) Thank you Terrah for your kind and encouraging words. Sentence 2 of 9) Just because one is a minority does not mean that she or he is wrong. Sentence 3 of 9) This Dog Blog could also be called “Among The Jealous Cats”, as the eyes displayed above are cat eyes, not canine eyes. Sentence 4 of 9) Yes, Claudine was beaten about the face and head with a crowbar and bones broken many times, yet she presses on. Sentence 5 of 9) Barry lost his license to practice for 5 years for helping a Protective Mom, yet he presses on. Sentence 6 of 9) You Terrah, are very perceptive to sift through the Kitty Dung to see the pearls. Sentence 7 of 9) REMINDER: Mr. Watchman- You are to publish my complete comment here composed of nine (9) sentences, labelled for verity’s sake. Sentence 8 of 9) This sentence must be published as sentence Eight. Sentence 9 of 9) This sentence is my final sentence of this comment. END of COMMENT.

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      • Jay Sutter is another sad excuse for a human being, in my opinion. He has posted a number of libelous things about me. Thank you for his address information. He will be sued. Who is his wife that I have allegedly filmed?

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  23. Dog… error ATW I signed no such agreement with either Janice or PMA. I do not intend on disclosing any such information that would place any victim in harm’s way. In this conversation of which I speak and many others Janice was fully aware of the others in the room at the time and she was also informed of my class schedule. I did not record these conversations since we both reside in a two party state, I would have to inform her of said recordings. I am not however, under any legalities to inform her if anyone overheard our conversation, nor does she have any rights under the law to expect that unless it was stated, which it was not. We never discussed anyone’s personal case except my own. I did state to her (which is included in the witness statement) that I was not ready to reveal my story. I still am not ready to do so. When i do it will be on my terms and in my words and on my site. And it will not be for someone else’s book for them to make money off my pain and more importantly off my children’s pain.

    Please have Janice or PMA provide a confidentiality agreement with my signature. Thank you and again have a very BLESSED day.

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    • Jen-

      ATW would be open to discussing Barry Goldstein’s Manifesto (where you have posted) with you, and much more pressing issues, yet you continue to draw us into a conversation all about you and your personal vendetta (which is clearly off topic).

      Since you continue to contact ATW, repeatedly, and engage us with your issues of personal problems–totally unrelated to the content of this subject- we can only assume this pattern of behavior was also in place with your interactions with PMA.

      Clearly you have no regard for the safety of the DV victims and their children you are working with; who, by your own admission, felt so threatened that they felt it necessary to put on a disguise when protesting in public. Once again you have provided no proof for any of these allegations, that happened at least 3 years ago, according to our research.

      Jen, ATW has more pressing issues to address than your personal problems; it wouldn’t be fair to our readers to make this blog all about you. ATW cannot respond to every comment.

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      • I have sat back for days now, and watched this discourse take place between various members of PMA, AMPP and LA. What I have found is that the statements I made regarding why the movement will not succeed are quite accurate.

        Barry begins his missive with this statement: “My interest in creating a protective mother manifesto is to express our beliefs, help to unite those working to reform the broken custody court system and to avoid the kind of personal attacks you reference. ” Throughout the significant numbers of posts here, I have seen little but personal attacks, mostly originating from members of AMPP. AMPP claims to be aligned with Barry’s manifesto, and yet instead of striving for the peace that Barry expressly is after bring hostility to the table. As long as groups such as AMPP condone and accept behavior from members, such as seen here, this movement will go no where. Keep in mind, this is how these women act in court. Would you, as a judge, be inclined to believe they are a victim given the level of hostility, the amount of finger pointing, the refusal to take personal responsibility for their actions displayed here? How one acts is intimately ingrained into a person’s being. If people behave in a manner like this on a very public post where someone the allegedly respects has called out for peace, then you can bank on the fact that they acts this way in their personal life as well.

        Barry continues on: “I certainly agree that some of my friends who are protective mothers have acted improperly. I hope that we can stop this so that it will be safer for all protective mothers as they already face too many dangers and obstacles.” Clearly, yes, many of these proclaimed “protective mothers” have acted improperly. Lori Handrahan claims to be a protective mother and is, in fact, her child’s abuser. Maria Melinn, former president of AMPP, claims to be a protective mother and is, in fact, her children’s abuser. I would certainly say abusing your children then claiming to be a protective mother while exposing your children, unwillingly on their part, to all types of dangers from the web, is improper. I would say the hostility, bragging about vulgarities used, violation of people’s privacy is improper. What I would have to ask is: Barry, why do you continue to align yourself with people like this? It does not but HURT the cause.

        My group has women AND men who are trying desperately to protect to their children come to us each day. Where do we direct them to for support? I certainly cannot recommend the BMCC, given the behavior exhibited here by some of those that attend. AMPP? Hardly. Had I not already had experiences with them that indicated they are radical, hostile and protect abusive women, for no other reason than they are a woman. Watching as this has played out here, browsing the web for more information, I have come to the conclusion that PMA would be the best place to refer the women needing help and support – IF and ONLY if, PMA does get a confidentiality waiver in place, if what Jen alleges about there not being one is factual.

        As for Jen and this comment of hers: “Dog… error ATW I signed no such agreement with either Janice or PMA. I do not intend on disclosing any such information that would place any victim in harm’s way.” Shame on you, for so many things. Let me point out that by placing anyone from PMA on speaker phone while clearly private matters are being discussed, in a room where others can overhear, is abhorrent. You already have disclosed information that could place victims in harm’s way by doing precisely that. Whether or not you signed an agreement with PMA is a moot point, as it is implied. Victims of DV turn to PMA for support, advice, help and what you did in that moment was victimize them once again. The fact that you then state you will be affidavits from those who you allowed to listen in on this private conversation is reprehensible. How do you see this as validating yourself? It shows only that when it comes to you and your finger pointing, you will do whatever it takes, including scaring away other women who need help but are afraid to ask for it unless it is absolutely private and confidential. In just the replies to these posts alone, you have likely chased away a number of victims who are researching how to get the help they need, because they will see what you have written and realize their privacy, their safety, can be compromised at any moment by an individual who is careless and unconcerned. While I am decidedly unimpressed by AMPP based on the posts of their members here, I have to say, they would be very wise not to trust you with anything of import, because clearly you will not exercise good judgment in protecting those that need help.

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    • My truth is all a matter of public record. I just walked outside to let me child know we are heading to the grocery store and to wash clothes very soon. My child ran to me hugged me, said I love you mommy, and then went back to playing with friends. That is the face of a healthy and happy child. Not the face of an unhappy child. It is amazing what happens to a child when you limit contact with a toxic individual. Again, I will not be sharing my story here, it will be on my own blog/website. Others will be documenting the lies and hate spread about me and other on Bill’s site and on the dog blog. Have you ever heard, the truth shall set me free? Well the truth HAS set me free. My child is with ME. Nothing will change that fact. And the individual who is the toxic and unhealthy one is on supervised visits. Rightfully so. Now maybe this child can have a chance to heal and grow up happy. We are, after all, off to a very good start. This child even recognizes the hostility and anger behind Bill. This child stated to me that she hopes Bill’s grandchildren are not exposed to his anger because ‘grandmas and grandpas are supposed to be like moms and dads only they buy you lots of presents and don’t nag about homework’. What a revelation.

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      • Jen may be the biggest sicko I have encountered, and that’s saying something. I’ve never seen or met her child, so what in the world is her child doing making comments about me. That’s sick — whether Jen made this up as she does so many things…or whether she actually told her child lies about me and got the child to react. Sick, sick, sick. Jennifer Dotson aka Jennifer Herbert aka Petunia Pigg will be one of the stars of Slanderella, the movie about women who are serial liars and slander people.

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  24. If I have a conflict with someone, I talk to them and come to a compromise. I do not trash them all over the internet and attack them personally. Doing the former is a sign of maturity. Doing the later is a sign of immaturity or a sign of a personality disorder. I see no place where PMA and Janice Levinson trashes anyone. Yet I see Jen and other AMPP members trashing her. To me this says it all. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure this all out.

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    • But Tina dear I am not trashing PMA or Janice, I like dog blog am simply stating facts. In fact I have been attacked three times on here tonight. Please Tina point out where I attack Janice?

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  25. Jen, um just so you know…if you associate with AMPP then you are for sure gonna be targeted…this site is a site that is a “hand” so to speak of Bill Windsor…and we already know “ANYONE” associated with AMPP….is straight up a bad guy…js…

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    • For Brannon ; Here we go, one more time!
      Read nice and slowly now!
      We post proof in the form of official public court documents,public police records or screen shots that show a statement made in our subject’s own words.We also note sequence of events to further stay true to the truth as we do not want to take an event out of context,which might be confusing and deceiving. We present the truth with proof to back it up and let the reader decide. We are not gender bias. Just because a advocate/ mom says something does not make it so. Occasionally, a self-proclaimed victim’s advocate and DV “expert” is really an abuser and bully in disguise. We are not blind to the truth, backed up with documented proof because of a person’s gender. We research and provide the proof. We are simply seeking the truth ,regardless of gender, and presenting the documented proof to the readers.
      This is not targeting cyber- bullying,or “trashing”- this is factual reporting. In fact some moms exposed on our site have been cyber- bullying innocent victims ( including other moms) in the most vicious ways, on various internet sites for many years.

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  26. Jen; you initiate contact with this blog, you threatened A.T.W ( please don’t waste our time by asking how- read. If you have a problem in this area get a reading tutor.), you threaten Janice ( once again read your own words posted on this blog) you set up a blog in retaliation of your own words being exposed by A.T.W, you participate in character defamation against Janice and PMA all over the internet. When the truth of your own words are exposed and others who can read correctly , see the truth and comment , you threaten them and this blog once again. Is this the actions of a rational, mature person? I think not. Your petty vendetta can also be exposed since if you recall there was another person on the line in some of these calls and you were well aware ( this was agreed upon by all parties and was not a hidden sabotaged effort like your secret speaker phone situation, which is highly unethical.) If need be, she can tell the truth about the content of those calls, and how most was about your personal problems. Very little was about PMA, just as you are trying to get this blog to post all about you. You made a big promise to Janice on how you were to help PMA and you never followed through. Janice got another protective mom to create the PMA website. She will witness this statement, if need be. The fact that you have held on to this petty complaint for years rather then let it go and move on speaks volumes about you. You broke a promise to PMA, yet you do not see anyone in PMA going around trashing you about an issue 3 years later. I challenged you to find anywhere, a place in which PMA publicly trashes ANYONE( defending ourselves does not count. If you cannot tell the difference , again a reading comprehension tutor might be of value.) We let your broken promise go, and moved on. Let it go Jen, move on already or talk to someone about why you cannot and heal. To fellow readers; this is just one example of the mindset of some attacking PMA, Janice and even Lawless. Some of the attackers I know never even met or spoke to Janice. For anyone to support them or their behavior is astounding and defies logic. This is exactly why PMA initiated a no abuse zone and we will not work with abusers, no matter gender.

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  27. “You see Janice was unaware of this at the time but i was a student and on some of the calls with her, she would be on speaker phone while I WA on the computer doing my online class work.

    Jen | May 29, 2013 at 4:31 am

    I have statements and they can be notarized as well, from two witnesses to the phone calls with jnice. You see Janice was unaware of this at the time but i was a student and on some of the calls with her, she would be on speaker phone while I WA on the computer doing my online class work. Several people heard the conversations and recall vividly the one regarding the Guardians of truth. This was what Janice, myself and the other mom had decided to call the group of protestors that we would mobilize to show up at trials and hearings for mothers across the country. Janice also stated that she would have a famous woman named Myra, I believe wa her name, show up to video tape this and publicize it. The GOT as Janice called it would wear all white and those who needed to hide their identities would cover their faces with scarves, wear large sunglasses or wigs. I will not be giving this proof to ATW, since I have been attacked here, I will give it to another blogger.

    “Janice was fully aware of the others in the room at the time ”

    Jen | May 29, 2013 at 5:56 am

    Dog… error ATW I signed no such agreement with either Janice or PMA. I do not intend on disclosing any such information that would place any victim in harm’s way. In this conversation of which I speak and many others Janice was fully aware of the others in the room at the time and she was also informed of my class schedule. I did not record these conversations since we both reside in a two party state, I would have to inform her of said recordings. I am not however, under any legalities to inform her if anyone overheard our conversation, nor does she have any rights under the law to expect that unless it was stated, which it was not. We never discussed anyone’s personal case except my own. I did state to her (which is included in the witness statement) that I was not ready to reveal my story. I still am not ready to do so. When i do it will be on my terms and in my words and on my site. And it will not be for someone else’s book for them to make money off my pain and more importantly off my children’s pain.

    So which is it Jen? First you say Janice was unaware, then you say Janice was fully aware. Caught in a lie once again by your own words, right here on the comment section of Among The Wolves Proving through your own lies no one can believe a word coming out of your mouth. Sorry but you have no credibility.<

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  28. I wish to add to my comment; When I say Jen has ” petty complaints” I want to clarify we do not even understand what her complaints are. This is why I called them petty. Any sincere unhappiness from others , about PMA is valued , respected, and addressed We encourage anyone having an issue with PMA to come to us and dialog in a mature reasonable manner. Jen never did this, Claudine never did this, Lorraine never did this. No one in AMPP has ever approached PMA with a sincere concern, as they prefer lies and gossip to the truth and they prefer to air their lies in a very public way vs. the mature professional route of coming directly to the source with an honest intention of working any issue out for the sake of unity and peace. So clearly their motivation is not for unity and peace but for destruction with lies and hate.They have all made this abundantly clear for, going on, four years now. Not days, weeks or months, but four years! BTW, Good catch anonymous ; another lie. How many times does someone need to be caught in a lie before they lose all credibility?

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  29. All i am going to say is AMPP anyone associated with them, this Jen included, scares me and many other protective moms, I know. We read their attacks. We see their hate and lies all over the internet. We are not stupid. But we are tired of being betrayed and abused. We have been there before. I agree with Stop abuse, and disagree with Barry. They are ruining the movement by being included because no protective mom will sign up for this. Attacks, abuse, threats and being lied on. You can say whtever you want to try to make excuses and defend yourself , Jen and AMPP. But sorry, we know better. Us moms are not that stupid. You are abusers. Female abusers. abusing other protective moms and organizations. it all over the internet and captured by screenshots by this blog. It is black and white and crystal clear. We are not stupid. So AMPP dont play us as stupid. grow up take responsibility for your actions and stop the nonsense, already. Enough is enough.

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  30. I cant even figure out what Jen’s complaint is all about. She had a phone conversation with Janice Levinson about a potential protest. Ok well, IF we can believe a proven liar, even IF this is true so what? Golly gee, Jen ,I ‘d called the cops on Janice for a conversation LOL Such … a scandal!! And to think you have harbored this anger, festering inside you, against her for three years,Poor baby.

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  31. A.T.W Note; from this point forward we will not be publishing any more comments about Jen or by Jen on her personal vendetta. This is off topic, and distracting from the post at hand

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    • The truth is not a smear. Trust and believe everything that was posted on her in relation to his “Network” is absolutely true. All you have to do is use the internet…if you want the truth.

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  32. After reading all the posts and comments from this blog , I am convinced ,something very unusual is going on with Barry, Goldstein, Claudine Dombrowski, Lorraine Tipton, AMPP, BMCC CPPA, Jay Sutter and CJE, as they all support abuser moms. I am finding out not only do they threaten and abuse Bill Windsor, but other protective mothers and fellow advocates. Too strange. I am not usually a conspiracy believer, but this is a no-brainer. Look at the facts. The mothers’ movement have said we need to audit the courts. I think we need to audit the BMCC and mothers’ movement, too. We need to find out what is REALLY going on here. Great work A.T.W.

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