Abusers in the Mother’s Movement Pt 1: Barry Goldstein &AMPP; Claudine Dombrowski

One can only guess what is happening in the dark corners of the Mother’s Movement…

A bare bulb swings over a battered wooden table—deals have been made here, alliances forged, things that cannot be mentioned…. From the shadows a gold ring is produced, on which a single goat with ruby eyes and sharply curved horns shines. Goats have been the symbol of this organization for centuries.
“Kiss the ring”, a husky voice solemnly commands, “And it is done.”


A large, hairy hand picks up the bulky ring, admiring its power; it’s significance. Much like a goat, he protrudes his chapped lips and loudly smacks them against the ring.
They will not publicly announce their alliance. They will obscure the connection. Attack anyone who comes close to the truth. People believe what they want, not what really is.
A new predecessor has been named, and the change will sweep the Movement like wildfire…

This fictional account is based on the strange ramblings of Claudine Dombrowski (Co-Founder of the AMPP Attack Mothers)…at first glance, perhaps these writings could be dismissed but one has to wonder about the alliances being forged, the secret deals being made, and why leaders in the Mother’s Movement are so willing to accept the criminal and abusive behavior of Claudine and the American Mothers Political Party (AMPP).

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Claudine Dombrowski “whips” family court into shape!

LUNDY BANCROFT SPEAKS OUT: NO TO ABUSE!

(July 18, 2013) After enduring years of abuse and vicious online bullying inflicted by Claudine Dombrowski and her gang of AMPP Attack Mothers, domestic violence speaker and advocate, Lundy Bancroft writes a public letter acknowledging the abuse and online harassment directed towards Protective Mothers Alliance International (PMA) and co-founder, Janice Levinson, is not acceptable, and he will no longer work with those behind the attacks—Claudine Dombrowski of American Mothers Political Party (AMPP) and anyone who supports them.

Bancroft stated in his open letter to the Mother’s Movement that  “ We cannot fight against the power and actions of abusers, and of the courts that enable them, while we remain silent and acqiescent in the face of severely abusive of treatment of our own allies.”

PMA, an advocacy group for victims of abuse and family court injustice, had previously established itself as a “No Abuse Zone”.

Lundy Bancroft’s Statement: http://lundybancroft.blogspot.com/2013/07/defending-womens-rights-activist-who-is.html

ATW Reporting on Bancroft’s Statement & the Attacks: http://abusiveadvocates.com/2013/07/22/important-lundy-bancroft-speaks-out-ampp-attacks-on-protective-moms/

 

THE RESPONSE – CLAUDINE STRUGGLES FOR CONTROL, APPOINTS BARRY GOLDSTEIN

(July 20, 2013) Claudine’s response to Bancroft’s public statement is to escalate the abuse by continuing to post defamatory and vulgar posts against Bancroft, co-founder Janice Levinson, PMA as a whole and anyone who is labeled as the enemy.

AMPP declares war on Bill Windsor and Lawless America.. tells the Mothers Movement that you “better think twice about sleeping with THIS enemy!”.
Sleeping with ??

In a long, rambling letter written much like a funeral eulogy—and too often praising herself, Claudine Dombrowski declares that the esteemed Lundy Bancroft is “such a good kiss ass and good little oppressor”. Actually, you read between the lines, it appears Claudine’s problem with Bancroft is that he does not kiss her ass! It should also be noted that in researching, ATW found no evidence that Bancroft or PMA International has ever taken the role of or taken credit for being “leaders” in the Mother’s Movement. Quite the opposite, Bancroft does not seek media attention or praise for himself, but appears to keep the focus on supporting abused women, and raising awareness of family court failures. And Levinson seems focused on supporting mothers, and raising awareness of family court injustices—not placing emphasis on herself or seeking personal attention.

Claudine on Lundy Bancroft, “..such a good kiss ass and good little oppressor..”

Reply to Lundy Bancroft – Change is here, Lead, Follow or get out of the way. Human Rights. July 20, 2013. http:// claudinedombrowski.blogs pot.com

Claudine’s next step is to find someone willing to work with an abuser and criminal, and someone who will look the other way when advocates and protective moms are being abused and attacked.

Who is this person??

::drumroll::

Barry Goldstein!

Claudine says the Mother’s Movement must change..and Barry represents that change

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ATW has documented some of the vicious attacks and criminal behavior of Claudine and the AMPP Attack Mothers including:

AMPP Wages War Against Protective Mother’s Alliance International: http://abusiveadvocates.com/2013/02/20/breaking-news-ampp-wages-war-against-protective-mothers-alliance-intl/

Bill Windsor, “I fear for my safety and the safety of my family..” http://abusiveadvocates.com/2013/03/27/windsor-fear-for-safety/

Lorraine Tipton on the BMCC (The steely cold side of “mother’s rights” unmasked and unedited) http://abusiveadvocates.com/2013/05/02/lorraine-tipton-bmcc/

Please continue to visit Among the Wolves for continued updates  on the Mother’s Movement, and the Abusers Hiding Within 

Maria Bauer Melinn: Advise for Moms in court: Benadryl!

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Maria Bauer Melinn reveals her strategy for abused women dealing with traumatic family court procedures: Benadryl! Is Maria qualified to give medical or legal advise? Nope!

Read more on Maria’s latest exploits…

How Sick and Disabled is Maria Bauer Melinn??
Maria wants us to believe that she is so disabled, and debilitated with life-threatening heart problems that it is impossible for her to serve any time in jail–and this punishment for contempt may endanger her life. Maria has even posted pictures of herself online, showing that she is in a hospital with heart monitors taped to her chest, her face devoid of its usual flirtations. With the last of her failing strength, Maria lifts the cell phone and pushes a button.., snap! snap! A selfie reveals one last valiant stand against “injustice”.

And in a snap, everything can change– but look at this  screen shot, Maria is commenting to another mother who is pro se in a family court matter, offering help. Maria says that she is able to “call a DV shelter on Monday” before she goes to jail. Maria is acting as an advocate and willing to “talk about strategy”.

If Maria is strong enough and of sound mind so that she is able to advocate for other moms, and is able work with other domestic violence organizations in order to “help” another mom with a very difficult and time consuming family court situation… then her claims of being so sick to the point of death are highly suspect.

Michael’s Wish: “Maria Claims She Cannot Work a Job”
http://www.michaelswish.com/maria-claims-she-cannot-work-a-job

Maria Melinn Broke Back on Motorcyle http://abusiveadvocates.com/2013/09/23/maria-bauer-melinn-broke-back-motorcycle/

Maria’s Advice to Moms in Family Court: Take Benadryl!
This mom is pouring her heart out online, giving very sensitive and personal details about her family court situation, which are now made public due to her disclosures. Maria is encouraging this mom to keep talking, and to go public–with little regard for this mom’s safety or privacy, and the possible implications for revealing so much.

Maria’s advice to help this mom cope in family court: “Many Moms find Benadryl helps on court days..”

Possible side effects of Benadryl include: Drowsiness, Dizziness, Mood Swings, Blurred Vision, Confusion and Irregular or Fast Heartbeat. Allergic reactions to Benadryl can cause seizures, difficulty breathing, swelling of the face/tongue and severe dizziness.
http://www.webmd.com/drugs/drug-5680-Benadryl+Oral.aspx

What would happen if a mom actually took Maria’s advice and popped some Benadryl right before going into family court, especially a mom who is pro se or acting as her own attorney? Would it look good before the judge if the mom was falling asleep…if she had a sudden change in mood that affected her ability to represent herself…if her tongue swelled and she could not speak for herself in court or even breathe…..if she got dizzy or confused? Or what if the Mom had a drug interaction related to Benadryl and a medication she was already taking? How would the abuser to react to that? How would the Judge respond, the Guardian ad Litem or other court professionals?

ATW finds it alarming, and frankly irresponsible for Maria–who has NO MEDICAL TRAINING and is not a licensed medical provider– to suggest Benadryl to anyone, even worse a vulnerable mom desperate for help. Maria’s advice could potentially 1) endanger the health of a mom taking her advise and 2) have a severe and negative impact on her court case–and the relationship she has with her children if she appears to be impaired or drugged, or is unable to represent herself due to the effects of Benadryl.

Did Benadryl Contribute to Maria’s Heart Problems?
ATW can only speculate, until we have proof, but Maria’s suggestion to take Benadryl, makes you wonder if Maria is also taking Benadryl to cope with her clegal issues. One of the side effects of Benadryl is fast or irregular heartbeat, and once ingested Benadryl is almost impossible to trace.

From a report on Maria:”Domestic violence victim Maria Melinn, an ethnic Hebrew-American (genealogically verified), was subjected to these abuses, in violation of her ADA orders, right here in Allegan County, Michigan this month. She has been denied most of her heart and cholesterol medications by the Jail’s medical staff during the first 6 days of her 60-day unlawful detainment, as well as her physician-mandated mattress, wheelchair, heart monitor (via denial of the charging cord for the unit’s receiver), and physical therapy sessions for her back..As a direct result, Ms. Melinn has had 2 cardiac incidents after only 6 days under these conditions. She had a severe episode of chest pain, angina, and tachycardia on the 3rd day of her unlawful detainment, and another cardiac event on day 6. She was admitted into the progressive intensive care unit of the hospital that evening with severe chest pain and other cardiac symptoms. Her condition was able to be stabilized after nearly 24 hours of in-patient care.”
http://allegancountylegaldocs.wordpress.com/tag/maria-melinn/

Benadryl could pose a risk to Maria’s health.. so why would she advise it to someone else?

Maria Implicates Barry Goldstein
Maria goes on to offer her unprofessional and uneducated legal assistance to this mom. Keep in mind that Maria has no legal training, no law degree and a majority of her “advocacy” training was given by the disgraced American Mothers Political Party (AMPP), where Maria once was president. AMPP has been recently exposed for their criminal acts of stalking, harassment and defammation. Their leader, Claudine Dombrowski, is facing criminal charges and has a protective order filed against her (other evidence suggests that Claudine is a serial stalker with a long history of harassment towards others).

Maria implicates Barry Goldstein as being a partner in offering advocacy services for abused women in court, whether this is true or not cannot be validated–but that Maria would use his name so publicly, and so freely could only mean they share a close relationship–or that Maria wishes they had one.

Maria states, “I will talk with you about strategy etc. in the courtroom”
Maria then goes on to offer up the services of Barry Goldstein: “we will work on how to handle cross examination… I am sure Barry will also talk to you about strategy too.”
Barry Goldstein is a former attorney now working as a domestic violence advocate, speaker and author. He does not have a current law license and cannot legally give any legal advise.
Common sense says there is only two ways to look at Maria’s implication of Barry:
1) Maria is dropping Barry’s name to give herself credibility, and to bolster her image as an advocate. And Barry may not be involved or is not aware of her remarks.
2) Barry is actively working with Maria–and the organizations she represents.
Either way this kind of advice presents a real danger for any protective mom who may be fooled into believing that Maria is a qualified advocate, and especially a danger that this advice may be used in court and jeopardize a mom’s case, and her custody/visitation.

 

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The Gavel Slams Down on Cyberstalking Claudine Dombrowski…

From Bill Windsor of Lawless America:
“Bill Windsor of Lawless America puts Claudine Dombrowski and the American Mothers Political Party out of the stalking and threat business…

Claudine Dombrowski has been ordered to post nothing about me and remove all postings in regard to me…”


See FULL Statement at: http://claudinedombrowski.com/?p=176

How did Claudine Dombrowski get away with cyber stalking, harassment and online bullying for so long?

As tempting as it is to put all the blame on Claudine, she was enabled by sympathizers the Mother’s Movement (including many of those pictured below).

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Many organizations in the Mother’s Movement not only looked the other way, and made excuses for Claudine as she continued to bully, harass and terrorize, but in some cases they promoted Claudine and her “Attack Mothers” ( AMPP). Anyone who tried to stand up to Claudine and her abusive ways were swiftly and viciously attacked, or forced into silence.

California Protective Parents Association (CPPA), Center for Judicial Excellence (CJE), Mothers of Lost Children (MOLC) and Safe Child Coalition work very closely together and might be run by the same small group of advocates-( see below; the same advocate who is a Chapter Leader for MOLC is also a Chapter Leader for Safe Child Coalition)

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-all who have supported and actively promoted Claudine Dombrowski and AMPP. Their support and promotion continues even when all were aware of Claudine and AMPP’s abuse and cyber bullying towards Protective Mothers Alliance (PMA) and Lawless, and others. Also, it is very easy to go online and within seconds, see evidence in the search results that strongly suggest that Claudine has bullied, tormented, and made obscene postings about a number of people, and organizations. How could the Mother’s Movement continue to promote Claudine under these circumstances?

Claudine was a featured speaker at the Battered Mother’s Custody Conference (BMCC), speaking against abuse even as she was a perpetrator of abuse and other criminal acts.

Having her moment under the lights at the BMCC, was so important to Claudine that she canceled a scheduled visit with her daughter. Are these the actions of a mother who would do anything to see her child after a long estrangement?

SCREEN SHOT of CANCELLED VISIT

Claudine appeared in short documentary films produced by California Protective Parents Association ( CPPA). CPPA also encouraged people to join AMPP

SCREENSHOT CPPA REFERING PEOPLE TO AMPP

And Claudine has been supported by the Center for Judicial Excellence. Center for Judicial Excellence( CJE) and their leader Kathleen Russell Reportedly “Share Same Values” and “Work Very Closely Together” with AMPP:

Kyle Wigglesworth, an AMPP Attack Mother, struggles to defend AMPP on Barry Goldstein’s wall. Kyle has posted many false, misleading and defamatory comments on Barry’s wall against PMA, Bill Windsor and Lawless, and even attacking other protective moms.

These are just a few examples on how many professionals and organizations within the Mother’s Movement promoted Claudine and AMPP (the only exception ATW could find is Protective Mothers Alliance-PMA- International, and they became one of the primary targets of Claudine’s attacks).

That the Mother’s Movement would give refuge to an abuser like Claudine, and look the other way while she has caused real harm to countless victims should make you ask is any mother really safe? These are organizations that promote themselves to be domestic violence experts, advocates for women, and being such domestic violence experts they should know how to discern an abuser from a victim, an abuser from a traumatized woman, and then be able take action to protect and defend the victim. But if these organizations can’t do that within their own movement, how can they be expected and trusted to do that for protective moms in family court???

A.T.W. will continue to follow this story, and provide updates.. stay tuned

For More Info Read the Claudine Dombrowski Expose: http://claudinedombrowski.com

Breaking News from Mother’s Movement: When Abuse is Acceptable

When Abuse is Acceptable:
(As Long As it is Done By “Survivors” and to Professionals)

A popular advocate in the Mother’s Movement (name withheld to protect her privacy) lashes out after Lundy Bancroft issued a statement denouncing Claudine Dombrowski and American Mothers Political Party (AMPP) for their abuse. Anon Advocate was upset that other Protective Moms were voicing concerns about Claudine and AMPP, and the lack of response from the Mother’s Movement–which has become a very public debate which has fueled more vicious attacks, right in front of the eyes of the Mother’s Movement. Even when the proof is pointed out to them, many advocates, professionals and organizations in the Mother’s Movement have chosen to defend/support/make excuses for the abuser and blame the victim for somehow deserving this brutality.

According to Anon Advocate…We should be more understanding when “wounded survivors” attack, threaten and libel others. Claudine & AMPP are connected to this hate blog, and receiving sympathy from the Mother’s Movement even as they call Protective Mom & Advocate, Janice Levinson, a “c–” and a “b—” and post disgusting pictures that say “wild animal sex”. Is this becoming the norm in the Mother’s Movement?

Anon Advocate’s response…support the abusers hiding in the Mother’s Movement, the victims must be more tolerant of these deranged women because, after all, they did survive abuse!

This blog connects directly to the AMPP main site..see how they yell “F– You!” to Lundy Bancroft, call him a “cult leader” who “profits off moms” and states that “Lundy Bancroft is no different than many of our abusers”. The bottom of this Verizon shot reads “Comment As American Mothers..”

According to this Anon Advocate (direct quote) “we are dealing with wounded survivors and everyone deals with trauma in his own way” so basically we need to be more tolerant and understanding of the abusive behavior of attack mothers in the Mother’s Movement, and look the other way as they stalk, terrorize and harass others (many who are Protective Moms or Helping Professionals). In her opinion, the Professionals should not be protected because they are not survivors, and should be able to handle the abuse on their own or get help.

This screenshot (below) gives the new rules on how to deal with abusers, according to this advocate from the Mother’s Movement:

New Rules of Mother’s Movement from Anon Advocate.. Taking a stand against abuse, denouncing the actions of abusive advocates and supporting victims will no longer be “tolerated” because “we are not going to chose sides here”. “Those ‘Professionals” can take care of themselves or get the help they need’. Anon Advocate claims several professionals have reviewed the complaints, and support her in this.

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Isn’t it concerning that an advocate Mother’s Movement is “warning” or threatening others to be silent about the abuse, and stating that their concerns will not be “tolerated”?

Anon Advocate even goes so far to say the victim does not have a right to defend themself because “this is about needs of the survivor”. This is an excuse for abuse. The above post by Anon Advocate prompts ATW to ask some logical and hard hitting questions; When does it become okay to frighten, intimidate and harm another person to suit the selfish needs of the abuser? Is this what the Mother’s Movement stands for? Is this the type of mind set and decision making skills “leaders” in the mothers’ movement possess? Are those in the movement unable to “walk their talk”? This person is considered an advocate and leader, really? Is this the best you can offer protective mothers in terms of support and safety? How can you ignore the abuse around you while advocating against abuse in family court?


Claudine Dombrowski threatens Bill Windsor with a .45, “Remember, Topeka has been known as the MENTAL HEALTH CAPITOL of the WORLD ha ha haha we got our rep honestly, we will put u in the funny farm ask questions later. ha ha ha ha
You will be better off just following me from the police station, It will be my pleasure to show you how to use a .45 up close and personal.
Put you out of your misery, mercy!” Claudine also refers to Bill Windsor as the “ball-less f– wonder” July 12, 2013 at 8:37 pm. http://angelzfury.wordpress.com/2013/07/12/bill-windsor-his-fake-movie-his-fake-threats-his-fake-balls-and-he-still-cant-get-his-rocks-off/

How can those in the Mother’s Movement justify Claudinine’s extreme behavior and a very obvious threat of harm against Bill Windsor and other protective mothers? And yet those who raise concerns, according to Anon Advocate, and expose the abusive advocate will not be “tolerated”! What will it take for the Mother’s Movement to take a stand against the abusive and threatening actions of some of their “leaders”..or are they changing the rules to excuse abuse, and blame the victims as they are being stalked and terrorized?

NOTE: In going through these screenshots and material of Claudine and AMPP’s abuse, some of our writers have reported nightmares and reacted in traumatic ways due to viewing this disturbing content. We cannot imagine how the victims are suffering, and especially the Protective Mother victims who have no support in the Mother’s Movement. Our heart goes out to them.

Barry Opens a Dialogue with ATW Readers: Sexism & Domestic Violence

(Note: These are the words of Barry Goldstein and do not necessarily reflect the views, position, or beliefs of Among the Wolves. ATW strives to remain neutral, and present the information so You, the Reader, can come to your own conclusions.)
 
Barry Goldstein has read the reader comments on ATW and graciously offered a dialogue so he (his own words),”concentrate on how the material impacts you and the questions you have“. Barry is offering his thoughts, and looking forward to receiving your thoughts and/or feedback in return. This is not a “formal” article but rather a response generated by ATW reader comments, and general observation Barry has made in his years of experience working in the legal profession, and as a domestic violence advocate.
 
As always, please keep comments related to this post and maintain a respectful tone. We look forward to continuing this dialogue with you. Also feel free to leave any additional questions, comments or concerns that may not have been covered here.
 
Thank you Barry, and thank you ATW Readers!
 
Barry, Thursday, May 30, 2013 at 9:12 AM:
 
1) We focus on sexism because sexism is the cause of domestic violence.
 
Part of the problem is that sexism like other oppressions is often invisible particularly to those who receive unearned advantages which in the case of sexism are men. I think it is important to understand that what we mean by sexism is different than is usually understood in the rest of the world. Most people think of sexism as something extreme like a crude joke, sexual assault or the kind of things Rush Limbaugh would say. In reality a lot of sexism is subtle and unconscious. That means that good people engage in sexism.
 
I was just talking last night in class about my experience as a new instructor and watching other new instructors since then. Inevitably a new male instructor will say or do something that is sexist and someone will tell them that it is offensive. Every new instruct has reacted by trying to say that we misunderstood or let me rephrase, but we ask them to be silent and listen and try to figure out why they were told it was sexist because it almost certainly was. The same process occurs when we speak of racism, heterosexism and other oppressions.
 
It is of course hard to hear that I said something sexist, racist, offensive, etc but in reality someone being willing to tell us this is giving us a valuable gift. It is difficult and often unsafe for someone from a marginalized group, like women when we speak about sexism to tell someone they did something offensive. Accordingly we need to make them feel safe to do so. Otherwise no one will tell us when we offended. When I say safe it means more than just not assaulting or threatening them, but being open to what they are saying, promising to change and not being defensive. I think too many people are quick to take offense when someone shares how their behavior has impacted them.
 
2) One of the places I want to take this discussion is to understand that in our society there is a huge difference between men and women, the privileges we have and how we are perceived. That is the context for everything that happens.
 
Too often courts and others seek to create a false sense of equivalency between men and women and this favors men because they have so many advantages in this society. Very often situations that seem the same on the surface are really very different.
 
Lynn Hecht Schafran wrote a wonderful article called Evaluating the Evaluators that illustrates how gender bias works in the courts. She tells the story of a new psychologist who is assigned to evaluate a young family. She goes to the father’s home and it is a complete mess with no food in the refrigerator. The evaluator writes that the father lives in a typical bachelor apartment. When she visits the mother’s home it is somewhat messy but not as bad as the father’s. She has food in the refrigerator but not as much as preferred. The evaluator writes the mother lives in a messy apartment with inadequate food. The evaluator has a supervisor because she was new and the supervisor asked if she saw what she had done. She was shocked at the gender biased approach she used and quickly corrected her report. I love this story because it shows how easy it is for someone acting in total good faith, and even a woman (by a process called internalized sexism) would engage in gender bias. So many of our assumptions are automatically colored by stereotypes so that the many gender bias committees appointed by courts have found that women are given a higher standard than men.
 
Periodically we will see news articles based on deeply flawed studies that suggest women abuse men almost as often as men abuse women. This is based on bad practices such as just counting the hits and a failure to understand dv dynamics. We often see cases where a man hits a woman, woman hits a man and it is treated the same, but there are three important differences. In general men are bigger and stronger, hit harder and cause more serious injuries. The second is that men hit women to maintain control and coerce compliance while women hit men in self-defense and to make him stop his abuse. Most important it is very common for women to be afraid of their male partner, afraid he will kill or seriously hurt her so that she will given in, do whatever she thinks he wants, let him make the decision. It virtually never happens that the man is so afraid of his female partner, that she will kill or seriously hurt him that he does whatever he thinks she wants. Nevertheless, court professionals with no understanding of dv dynamics often treat these situations as if they were mutual.
 
I will stop here and gauge your reaction and then we can continue. Hope you will find this useful.
 
Barry  

Bill Windsor on A.T.W’s post : “Barry Goldstein on the Mother’s Movement & Abusers”

RE: ATW has recently been in contact with Barry Goldstein, when we sent him and other professionals, a link introducing the blog, and inviting comments.

Barry has been very candid in sharing his thoughts about the Mother’s Movement and how it should proceed. One of the things Barry mentioned was creating a Protective Mothers Manifesto, to offer guidelines on ethical behavior for those within the Mother’s Movement.

ATW has received Barry’s permission to post his e-mail in full, as long as we agree not to edit, take out of context, or change the content in any way. In the interest of truth and accuracy, we also ask our readers to respect Barry’s wishes. We welcome reader’s comments please keep in mind ATW’s policy keeping all comments respectful.

Thank-you for Barry for your valuable feedback, and contributions.

– Among the Wolves

Read A.T.W’s Post from Barry in it’s entirety;
https://abusiveadvocates.wordpress.com/2013/05/23/barry-goldstein-may-2013/

Bill Windsor comments on Barry Goldstein’s Post:

“In my opinion, Barry Goldstein is incompetent and should be ignored by anyone with intelligence in the world of family courts, abuse, and domestic violence.

For starters, I have to question the intelligence, or lack thereof, of anyone who would defend or support the criminals with the so-called American Mothers Political Party.

Goldstein has made scurrilous comments about me, but he doesn’t know me, doesn’t know a thing about me, has never spoken with me (and never will), and should have been smart enough to keep his mouth shut.

Goldstein claims I don’t understand the gendered nature of “the problems we are dealing with.” How utterly ridiculous. I fully understand the two primary genders. I know that men lie and lie and lie and use handbooks in divorce to ensure they take advantage of the mother of their children. It makes me sick. But I also know that women lie and lie and lie, pretend to be abused when they weren’t, pretend their children were abused when they weren’t, and will say and do anything to hurt their ex. Meanwhile, in both cases, the children are terribly abused by the process, and those with true stories get obscured by all the serial liars and abusers.

Should we consider Barry Goldstein to be similar to Richard Gardner?

When I became a part of the Lawless America project, I spent years learning from the women and men who claim they are victims, and I am closing in on 365 days on the road, face-to-face with thousands. I believe I have interviewed far more people than Goldstein will ever hope to interview. I was devastated to hear stories from women all across America….and then to learn that a number of these women lied. If they will lie about me (as some have), then I can’t possibly believe that they are telling the truth about anything else.

I do everything humanly possible to assist and support genuine protective mothers. But I will also do everything in my power to expose the liars and the lies.

I am about to decide that nothing meaningful will ever be done to correct the problems with family courts, abuse, and domestic violence because virtually all of the groups are haters. There are the father haters and the mother haters. Many who pretend to be for honesty and the children are often little more than actors. People with what they claim are “non-profit associations” are often in it just for the money.

I will not work with anyone who supports Barry Goldstein, the so-called American Mothers Political Party, Clodine Dumbrowski, Lorraine Tipton, Kimberly Wigglesworth, Kathleen Russell, the so-called Center for Judicial Excellence, Connie Valentine, the so-called California Protective Parents Association, or the so-called Battered Mothers Custody Conference. No one who has anything to do with these people or groups will be in our movies of videos because these people and groups support the twisted criminal activities of the AMPP folks. Many of these people and groups hate fathers and love liars.”