LIE VS. FACT CHECK: Who is Gathering Information About the Mothers?

WHO IS GATHERING INFORMATION ABOUT MOTHERS                                             AND CREATING A DATABASE??

 Lie vs. Fact Check Intro:

As we meander down this truth seeking path together, there are some lies so outrageous that you have to see it to believe it. We at A.T.W. are all for exposing the Lies vs. Fact Check.

This is how it will go:

1) We will quote the lie, and post the source it came from.
2) This will be immediately be followed by a quote of the facts, with proof

THE LIE:

Claudine Dombrowski, AMPP, has accused Bill Windsor of Lawless America of being connected to “Father’s Rights” and made accusations that he is creating a database to collect the information of abuse victims. Claudine has led her “Attack Mothers” aka supporters to harass, stalk, defame and threaten Bill Windsor.. as seen in this screenshot from Adrema Barbee Higgins.

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THE TRUTH:

Bill Windsor has previously issued a statement that he does not charge money to anyone appearing on Lawless America and he has created the documentary for a sincere purpose to help victims of government abuse and corruption,Lawless America does not charge a plug nickel for anything on our site or any help that we may be able to offer anyone.  I do all of this for no compensation of any type.  I do it out of the goodness of my heart — trying to battle corruption and help victims…”

Bill also explains that those appearing in “Lawless” are asked to provide basic contact information, and are voluntarily asked to provide that information as part of being in the film, this is a standard professional practice and is legally required,No one will be in the movie unless they provide their name, address phone number, email, and employment status. Anyone who takes the utterly ridiculous position that such information is identity theft needs mental help, in my opinion. These are people out to undermine this movie because the movie has the greatest chance of exposing the corruption and getting something done about it that any of us have yet seen... EVERYONE who appears in the movie will have to sign a release that allows us unlimited use of your likeness in promotion of the movie. Don’t sign the release, and you won’t be in the movie. This is a legal requirement that every movie must follow.”

See Full Statement of Bill Windsor on the “Lawless” movie release, and false accusations from Roxanne Grinage (Hire Lyrics): http://www.lawlessamerica.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=798:roxanne-grinage-of-hirelyricsorg-is-the-latest-person-to-attempt-to-interfere-with-production-of-lawless-americathe-movie&catid=133:lawless-america-the-movie&Itemid=105

The Truth: Claudine offers no evidence, documentation or other proof to substantiate this ridiculous claim, one of many lies she has waged against her (quote) “hit list“...she just wants you to take her word. And Claudine’s word so far has involved profanity, death threats, degrading comments about women and defamation. Clearly, Claudine’s word is not to be believed. 

Who’s the REAL Stalker?

 

The Truth: Claudine aka Petunia Pig has been gathering her own “database” to collect information about the mothers coming to her for help, and is giving the information to an un-named 3rd party. Claudine is doing exactly what she accuses others of doing!

2009, Petunia Pig on ‘Glenn’s Cult’ “I am in the process of cooperating with a fellow blogger in preparing the first ever of it kind database for abused and protective moms. This database will be in place to protect those women new to the family rights scene on the internet.” 

NOTE THE DATE AS 2009- WELL BEFORE BILL WINDSOR BEGAN HIS DOCUMENTARY

Claudine aka Petunia Pigg is collecting information about protective mothers and creating a “database”. How well has Claudine protected these moms from “Father’s Rights”?

 

Who is the “fellow blogger” Claudine is working with??  

We know Claudine has joined forces with the cyberbullies at Joeyisalittlekid whose ranks include a man who allegedy talks to dragons, a man whose YouTube video suggests he has a drinking problem, a pedophile (or two), and people who have attacked other Protective Mothers and their Supporters

And other groups including..

Claudine aka Petunia Pigg is again collecting names for her database, claiming to protect the mothers from “father’s rights”. But who is protecting the mothers from Claudine and AMPP?

 

WHERE, OH WHERE ARE THE “FATHER’s RIGHTS” GROUPS???

Claudine aka Petunia Pigg claims she has to protect the mothers from “father’s rights” groups…See here that this facebook page “Best Interest” is connected to We the People Family Preservation (WTP FP); J Guy F Babineau is one of the founders. We the People supports Father’s Rights, if you visit their website, there is a link to Glenn Sacks; THE Glenn Sacks of Claudine/Petunia’s attack blog–“Glenn’s Cult”.

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 In December 2012, We the People Family Preservation was accused of misappropriating the confidential database of “Lawless America”–which means they have gained access to sensitive information about abused women and protective mothers. Claudine/Petunia was made aware of this in the Best Interest group. This is the exact database Claudine herself had been trying to gain access to. Is it a coincidence that Claudine has NEVER raised concern about We The People and never confronted WTP to protect the Mothers who may have been affected? Why isn’t Claudine doing anything to hold We the People accountable for stealing the information of the mothers?

We the People Family Preservation is connected to Roxanne Grinage, who was a keynote speaker at one of their events. Roxanne has attacked Bill Windsor and “Lawless America”  with various lies and allegations, which are hard to make sense of due to her delusional ramblings, as described in the above link.

Roxanne is connected to American Mothers Political Party, and Lorraine Tipton, and has subscribed to the vulgar videos AMPP posted about Bill on YouTube.

Roxanne was also promoted on the Joey’s blog (who are supporters of AMPP and they have joined forces in cyber bullying), where readers were encouraged to contact her,”NinjaMarch 7, 2103 at 10:01 pm   Whoever has the screen shots of Pie man asking for help finding personal information on people and their SS#s should send it to Roxanne.”

What does this mean? There is collusion between the various groups attacking Bill Windsor and “Lawless America” indicating these attacks are well planned, well coordinated and meant to attack Bill on various fronts with the intent to defame, intimidate, stalk, harass and ultimately shut down “Lawless” and with it, silence victims of government and family court abuse.

Sociopaths seek to “win” at any cost, defending themselves to the point of logical absurdity

A Summary of Facts…

1) Claudine is creating a database of the names and confidential information of abused women and protective moms, since at least 2009. Well before Bill Windsor, and “Lawless America” were in the picture.

2) Claudine says she needs this database to protect the mothers

3) Claudine won’t reveal her sources of who is working with her on this database

4) Claudine has openly denounced Father’s Rights groups and activists but at the same time is active, and posting on a page that connects to, and promotes Father’s Rights. And is working with a group that promotes Glenn Sacks, and links to his site from their own page.

5) Claudine is connected to a group that has “misappropriated” the confidential database of Bill Windsor. Instead of confronting those responsible, she attacks the victim–Bill. Instead of protecting those whose information is at risk, she supports the perpetrator.

6) If Claudine were truly protecting abused women and protective mothers, then why do her actions support those who are harming these same women?

If there is any doubt, ATW is posting another screen shot.. this was taken from a website that was promoted on the Best Interest Page, the same page Claudine/Petunia Pig is active on.

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Petunia Incites Legal Action vs Windsor Or “We may revoke your Vajayjay card!”

Bill Windsor, of Lawless America, is recently the subject of a protective order filed in Missouri, claiming he bought a gun and planned to use it on a group of people. Is this a legit complaint or an attempt to bring Windsor, and his government corruption documentary, Lawless America, down? And who is this group, anyways?

We at ATW have reviewed a post from Feb 2. where Windsor admits to buying a gun. HOWEVER Windsor clearly states it was for self-protection, and that he is legally carrying it. Windsor also says he is “non-violent”and “I will not hesitate to use this for my self protection”. In a later statement admits he is in fear of these abusive stalkers, some of who are using an anonymous name so they cannot be tracked while attacking and stalking Windsor. It is also worth noting that this one, isolated post was followed by several business communications, memos and planning regarding the “Meet Me in DC” event, in all respects the event was a successful and no one attending had any complaints about Windsor’s behavior.

There is alot of background information that needs to be considered to make a proper judgment on this case, and to determine if this is the action of a truly frightened individual or one seeking revenge…

On Feb, 2, 2013 the Joeys blog posted an article called “Der Fuhrer is Backed into a Corner“, it is the usual round of name calling directed at Windsor and Lawless, today’s excuse is that Windsor had a falling out with Deanna Kloostra (an AMPP member since 2009) so Windsor must deserve their hateful treatment, false allegations, and character defamation. The Joe-PPers (Joeys + AMPP) portray themselves as the victims while taking the abuser’s stance (wolves in sheep’s clothing!). Der Fuhrer” includes details on AMPP’s latest attempts to sabotage Windsor, “The AMPPs fire back by sending congressman copies of Bill’s only movies to this point like the “I am a pedophile” video and soundtrack, they also sent it to the reality series that is supposedly looking at doing a reality tv series out of lawless..”
After AMPP contacted the reality series, Windsor’s application to the reality show was denied–and the voices of victims of government corruption/abuse from around America were suppressed. AMPP claims to be a victim advocacy group, one has to look at their words and actions and wonder whose side are they on??

Der Fuhrer” includes alot of false allegations and name calling aimed towards Windsor. If witnesses are called to testify on behalf of the complaintant or the group involved, and these witnesses are involved with AMPP or the Joey blog then their online statements should be taken into consideration to determine their motives and credibility. Der Fuhrer” goes in all directions before addressing the gun issue. The Joe-PPers do express anger towards a certain person, who is seen posting on Loryn Ryder’s facebook page, and who is now supporting Lawless. So there is another motive that plays into these allegations.

Here is what Windsor posted along with a picture of the gun:
“Feb 2. Lawless America
SELF-PROTECTION FOUND A NEW CARRYING CASE FOR THE TRIP.
This is the pistol that we purchased for self-protection. It is legal to have it in Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina, and Virginia, so it is traveling with me in a hard-sided, locked case. This model is called The Public Defender version of The Judge. This shoots a special juiced-up shotgun-like shell, and it was recommended because the gun store said it is virtually impossible to miss the target.
I am non-violent. but I will not hesitate to use this if needed for my self-protection. — at Atlanta, GA.”

The Joe-PPers respond by making fun of Windsor then moving onto another subject, they do not appear to be concerned by Windsor’s statement.. but do seem to revel in twisting the statement, and using it for their own sick agenda.

In the comments section, Petunia Snodgrass (fake name used by AMPP attack mother) is urging Loryn Rider to talk to attorney about Windsor, and implies threatening her with a gun. Snodgrass taunts Loryn that if she does not do this, she is not a real woman, “Girlfriend, if you don’t haul ass to an attorney Monday morning w/all this fat fuktard’s rants about you combined w/this new gun snit? We may revoke your Vajayjay card! ”

Snodgrass also says a settlement/judgment against Windsor could make them very rich, “I would like to come over and frolick in your new pool in Georgia after all the judgment/settlement ~ Brannon will furnish the Mike’s! ” (Mike’s Hard Lemonade)

Then Snodgrass again urges Loryn Rider to take legal action, “BowchickAbowbow ~ Sick him LORYN!”
(Keep in mind Snodgrass is an AMPP supporter, and AMPP has publicly declared “war” on Windsor.)

Around this time, Windsor is planning the “Meet Me in DC” event where Lawless America would present video testimonies to Congress, and citizens were encouraged to speak to their representatives about concerns with government corruption and abuse–including the alarming trend of family court awarding custody to dangerous abusers, and stripping mothers of their rights. AMPP should have been interested in the family court aspect of “Lawless” and found a way to resolve differences so they could advocate for protective moms, and use “Lawless” as a support to secure help for these women and their vulnerable children.

INSTEAD
AMPP urged Australian AMPP and supporters to contact the FBI and several Congressmen to complain about Windsor with false reports, including that he is a “gun toting DC bound fool”. So AMPP had already created alarm, and with rumors was beginning to lay a foundation of lies that Windsor is dangerous–and they even said (with the Joeys) that Windsor is a Nazi and a terrorist. All of this would become part of the later protective order filed against Windsor on March 20, 2013 in Missouri. Loryn Ryder got drawn into the fray because she had a grievance with Windsor, and she was enlisted that to further the agenda of the Joe-PPers.

If you read the rest of the comments on this page, you can clearly see that none of the members are scared of Windsor, and they don’t even view him as a threat to their life or safety..the Joe-PPers (Joeys + AMPP) continue their usual nasty comments and sarcastic jokes, not missing a beat. Obviously if any of these people felt threatened, they would have called the police but instead are complaining about the number of likes on Windsor’s facebook page, and other nonsense.

Curtis Butler actually gives Windsor advice about the gun, are these the words of someone who felt threatened, frightened?

“Curtis Butler February 2, 2013 at 1:16 PM,
Lawless America Following · 2 hours ago
…The gun in the pic is indeed a Tarus .45 ling colt/ .410 shotgun shell pistol. the .410 how ever does NOT SHOOT A SPECIALTY SHELL! the powder loads are the same.only the pellet diameter is different.
My recommendation to bill is to chunk the .410 ammo out the window before you hit Virginia and only load that thing with .45 LC ammo. Learn to shoot with the solid slug not the bird shot.”
Is this the group that was threatened by Windsor, that claims Windsor is dangerous and out of control.. If so, this protective order is in serious trouble!

Haul ass to an attorney.. or..We may revoke your Vajayjay card!

TEXT:

Nothingbettertodotoday (NBTDT) Feb. 2, 2013 1:37 pm- Yeah, its so stupid to brag about that gun. It he really needed the gun. it will do him about as much good as the ADA in Kaufman. He was carrying.

Loryn Rider Feb. 2, 2013 1:18 pm – Thank god for this blog!

Petunia Snodgrass/Black/Pigg (AMPP) Feb. 2, 2013 1:27 pm – Girlfriend, if you don’t haul ass to an attorney Monday morning w/all this fat fuktard’s rants about you combined w/this new gun snit? We may revoke your Vajayjay card!

OMG

I would like to come over and frolick in your new pool in Georgia after all the judgment/settlement ~ Brannon will furnish the Mike’s!

BowchickAbowbow ~ Sick him LORYN!